6 Minutes prior to post in the Preakness...

[marcus]

I\'ve Been wondering as well , w/ Barbaro\'s screws + plate  along with the initial  trauma itself and subsequent sugery , how adequate would the circulation be unless they\'ve done or plan do , a graft in and around the injured area . I haven\'t heard any estimates on nerve damage and if the horse progress in his recovery, convelesence and rehab , this undoubtably would become an issue - or so I would think ...    

[joshb82]

imailin, you are absolutely correct.. I\'m stunned at the number of naive people around here who do not believe a vet would lie to protect someone, and who think everything is always on the up and up.

[imallin]

Barbaro\'s wkt was at fair hill, so i guess tvg would need permission from fai to bring a camera there...not to mention Matz who i\'m sure would have to approve the video also.

Yeah, that makes sense, we both know stronach is, i wouldn\'t doubt he\'d say no to tvg on anything.

[imallin]

Its not even so much on the up and up per say, its just about a little white lie that doesn\'t matter in the long run to save a guys career and his livlehood.

Its not like the doctor is under oath at a criminal trial and has to say, \"yeah, i think the horse had a flaw\"

Also, you have to ask yourself this...who\'s asking? I mean, he\'s telling a media member this stuff, not congress. The media is the last person you are going to give privy information to...especially if it could jeopardize his career.

[imallin]

Lots of jocks will ride horses  even if they feel they \'arent right\'. Bailey is an exception....because he\'s jerry bailey, he can do whatever he wants. If you don\'t like he could care less, don\'t put his name down if you don\'t like it.

Other lesser name jocks (basically everyone) might ride a horse...jocks don\'t want to get a reputation where trainers and owners are whispering, \"don\'t put that guy down, he\'ll scratch your horse\"

Think of a claiming horse who\'s has a claim entered and is lame...if the jock scratches the horse, the current connections eat the horse. If you put a jock down who will \'ride anything\' you know that if your horse warms up bad and he\'s going to be claimed, you will lose the horse.

[NoCarolinaTony]

Josh82-

No one who bets thoroughbreds believe everyone is legit. If they do they are naiive. But at the same token, and using the same logic as you in reverse, you are now insinuating that everyone  conected to horse racing is unethical/on the take etc. That also cannot be true.


It\'s like any sterotypes you may want to find. let\'s try this one for example, anyone who goes to the racetrack  and bets horses is a loser, degenerative gambler, broke, and a overall social outcast/misfit. Is that true? yeah sometimes- (leaving specific names out)

NC Tony

[manning]

imallin Wrote:
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> Other lesser name jocks (basically everyone) might
> ride a horse...jocks don\'t want to get a
> reputation where trainers and owners are
> whispering, \"don\'t put that guy down, he\'ll
> scratch your horse\"
>
> Think of a claiming horse who\'s has a claim
> entered and is lame...if the jock scratches the
> horse, the current connections eat the horse. If
> you put a jock down who will \'ride anything\' you
> know that if your horse warms up bad and he\'s
> going to be claimed, you will lose the horse.
>
>
Interesting.  How many were involved in the shake for Barbaro?  

[imallin]

Guys are just trained to ride any horse no matter what. These jocks have such HUGE ego\'s that they feel that even if the horse breaks down, they have the ability to avoid harms way because they are so athletic, have such great reflexes, etc.

Barbaro was going for the Triple Crown. No jockey on earth is EVER going to scratch a horse going for the TC no matter what.

NO MATTER WHAT.

[manning]

imallin Wrote:
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> Guys are just trained to ride any horse no matter
> what. These jocks have such HUGE ego\'s that they
> feel that even if the horse breaks down, they have
> the ability to avoid harms way because they are so
> athletic, have such great reflexes, etc.
>

This is ridiculous, for openers.  And, Prado deserves more credit than he is getting from you & some others (here & elsewhere.)  You think this was something more than a bad step breakdown at the most unfortunate of moments, fine.  But please stop with the comparisons betw. the Derby winner & your avg. Penn National claimer.  I don\'t believe I\'ve ever encountered more histrionics from seemingly informed people.

[imallin]

I\'m not talking about Prado. I\'m just saying that for people to think that jocks won\'t ride a horse if they feel the slightest thing that might be wrong...these guys are riders, they don\'t make a living scratching horses out of post parades.

[NoCarolinaTony]

IM

They can\'t make a living if the are paralyzed or worse dead either.

NC Tony

[manning]

imallin Wrote:
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> I\'m not talking about Prado. I\'m just saying that
> for people to think that jocks won\'t ride a horse
> if they feel the slightest thing that might be
> wrong...these guys are riders, they don\'t make a
> living scratching horses out of post parades.


If you\'re not talking about Prado, then who are you talking about?  This thread is titled \"6 Minutes prior to post in the Preakness...\"  You\'ve previously stated:

\"Think of a claiming horse who\'s has a claim entered and is lame...if the jock scratches the horse, the current connections eat the horse. If you put a jock down who will \'ride anything\' you know that if your horse warms up bad and he\'s going to be claimed, you will lose the horse.\"

What does any of this nonsense have to do w/ Barbaro or the Preakness?  You\'re wasting everyone\'s time w/ this stuff.  

[imallin]

I agree with you tony

Each jock determines his own fate. I just know there are a lot of crazy ones out there who will ride ANY horse.

[imallin]

First of all you are wasting everyones time because my posts cite my opinions, your posts just are dead air telling me that MY posts are \'nonsense\'.

Prado might have felt something but wasn\'t going to scratch a TC contender. That was my point.

What was your point exactly?

[imallin]

I think that jocks may be more apt to ride a horse with a rear leg problem than a front leg problem. If the rear leg goes, the jock has a much better chance to NOT tumble head over heels and go head first into the ground. I\'d have to imagine something would have to be pretty severe to scratch a Derby winner who is 1-2 in the preakness.

There\'s no possible way any jock would say he felt ANYTHING...especially after what happened. Why would prado say, \"yeah, he felt a little funny, but i decided to ride him anyway\"

Every top jock has ridden thousands of horses, if they scratched every horse who felt even a little off, they\'d be scratching a heck of a lot of horses.

Jocks don\'t want to get the rep of a guy who\'s scared to ride anything less than a \'perfect horse\'.