BC Numbers

[TGJB]

Full sheets for the BC runners are in the ROTW, including the figures they ran. They came up awful tight, whether you are talking regionally, internationally, whatever.

The path info is on the upper left of each page. Note that we record the path on the turns only, and we only show the last 2 turns of the race if there are more than 2. Ground loss was a very big deal this year (Velasquez especially has had better days), and everyone can form their own opinion about the rail.

[MO]

Kudos to TG on the FM Turf figs. Most formful race of the card (probably why it was the only race I cashed.......Hmmmmmmmmmmmm 2007 Monmouth Park.......) Followed by Classic.

[huck]

Congrats, very imprssive analysis,looks much easier after the fact. Also, I don\'t think I have ever seen you guys use SORE next to a #, how do you come about that and why do I never see it. Jerry, the horse I was trying to think of was Big Red Mountain and he was a half to LMS, not out of,my bad.      

[TGJB]

By the way-- in response to a question Miff asked before I did the day, the track did get a little slower as the day went on. My corrections for the races were about plus 1 for the first 3 races (through the Juv fillies), gradually going to almost minus 2 for the last 2 dirt races-- a swing of 3 points over 6 hours, which is not a lot. I didn\'t have to split the one and two turn races this time.

There are interesting questions concerning the rails on both dirt and turf, but the answers are not clear. FYI, I ended up on the phone with Bridgemohan the day before discussing the ride for SF, and he said the same thing someone said here, in advance-- when the rail is down, the inside is worse on the grass course.

[miff]

JB,

Based on previous capabilities of Bernardini,I could not believe he did not get the last quarter in 25 seconds or under. I\'ve watched him train many times and go 25 seconds breezing with the boy holding hard.I know you paired him(it fits well) but I can\'t believe this horse ran very close to his best.Just from some split data that I have seen, Bernardini ran his personal slowest adjusted last half mile by.65 (three plus lengths) in his last 4 races.

I thought you would find the track slowed more than you did.I have a question into Andy Beyer re the raw time for the distaff and classic to see what he did.You may already know from his figures. Thanks

Mike

[Michael D.]

miff Wrote:
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> JB,
>
> Based on previous capabilities of Bernardini,I
> could not believe he did not get the last quarter
> in 25 seconds or under. I\'ve watched him train
> many times and go 25 seconds breezing with the boy
> holding hard.I know you paired him(it fits well)
> but I can\'t believe this horse ran very close to
> his best.Just from some split data that I have
> seen, Bernardini ran his personal slowest adjusted
> last half mile by.65 (three plus lengths) in his
> last 4 races.
>
> I thought you would find the track slowed more
> than you did.I have a question into Andy Beyer re
> the raw time for the distaff and classic to see
> what he did.You may already know from his figures.
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>


Mike,

re bernardini -

the horse was asked to use more energy earlier, and had less left at the end.

did he run his best? probably not.

i thought he was ready to pop a negative \'4\' or \'5\', but he found a bit of adversity for the first time, ran a touch slower, and was beaten by a great horse.

the sad part is that the guy is 66% likely to pair or run a new top off the fastest string of three year old figures ever recorded, and he ain\'t runnin again.

[miff]

Mike D said:

re bernardini -

the horse was asked to use more energy early, and had less left at the end. what\'s the issue?
 

Mike D,

If he was asked for more energy early, I missed it and his early splits do not support that. Check the splits of his last 4 efforts and you will see what I mean, pace figs would help. His TG fig was \"saved\" by 4w 4w and add that Jerry determined that the track did not slow very much at all.

Against the clock, there is nothing fast about 2.02.18 for a mile and a quarter by the fastest horses in training. An honest pace, a crawl home, and a track surface that slowed only modestly during the card.Hardly the Bernardini I saw in prior efforts.


Mike

[bellsbendboy]

Agree Mike.  Two points I would add:  Bernardini was not extended all summer and came in off modest works, and, some horses just do not care for Churchill. BBB

[Michael D.]

Mike,

if you\'re going off the clock in a generic sense, you should know that bernardini ran around the track faster in he BC than he did in the travers (adjusted for ground).

did Jerry blow the travers too? other guys have it FASTER than TG.

javier asked the horse for more earlier than he had in the past, and he finished slower because of that pressure.

[TGJB]

Michael-- other guys? There are other guys?

[miff]

Mike D,


You left out that he was \"galloping\" thru the stretch in the Travers and got an \"h\" by TG.

Do not want to debate what I know, i.e. 51 seconds for a last half by BC calibre runners,off that pace,is slow, period.

Mike

[Michael D.]

ok, fair enough Mike. always respect your opinion.




sorry Jerry, that just slipped out. there are no other guys.

[miff]

Mike D,
 

And I do respect yours.



Mike

[NoCarolinaTony]

Sounds like we have De-tante\'.......Pelosi and Bush.- Michael D and Miff....

Wow Thors Echo as fast as Bellamy Road or Commentator...wow. Makes that the fastest BC Sprint ever.

NC Tony

[purplemike]

remember if invisor wasn\'t in this race (and no one of his caliber was in any other of bernadini\'s races) the result would have been the same, bernadini way in front