RICH , i personally agree and seeing mixed signs with hard spuns 1/2 pt top last time , the forgers pattern could start going OX . joe got even\'s pattern reminds me a little bit of hard spun right now . imo - AGS\'s pattern seems healthy enough but like hard spun , hasn\'t improved more than 2 pts in his last 4 races , maybe it\'s coming . sd & ss look similar except one got back and the other is still working on it ... i\'m uneasy about any of the derby field winning off of top efforts - even if it\'s in character with previously established form ...