Derby views from a Ragozin user

[tucker]

re: Scat Daddy working in bar shoes.

where did you read or hear this?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

richiebee Wrote:
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> Ctc:
>
> As always, I appreciate the contrarian
> handicapping views. And about those early
> morning songwriting ventures, I want you to know
> that Phil Spector called me
> this morning and he wants you to take over his
> music biz until the jury out in
> California figures out a way to find him not
> guilty.

The Prosecutor doesn\'t have much of a case in my opinion. His opening statement was to say Spector forced the woman to put the gun in her mouth and he pulled the trigger. Obviously she must have been mouth shot. Who puts a gun in their mouth when asked? No one......Folks put a gun in their mouth that want to commit suicide. Spector will walk so I\'m out of a lyrics gig even if I\'m not bad at it.

>
> With regards to TAP, the man shows up first
> weekend in May with a $1.9 million
> yearling purchase for the Oaks, a $1.1 million
> yearling purchase for the Derby
> and a $1.5 million 2YO in training purchase for
> the Derby. As long as he keeps
> himself stocked with this type of horseflesh (no
> Green Monkey jokes please) he
> will eventually prevail.

Yeah, where is the Green Monkey? All the highest priced horses were busts. You need a little more than expensive horses to pick a horse. Baffert has a 17K and a 70K Derby winner. Pletcher has a little more too. Its called, \"Stop or my mom will shoot you up\"


>
> Nice Derby line by the way--Teufle shorter odds
> than CQ and AGS and 125/1 on
> the Blue Grass winner. BRILLIANT!

Thank You, but I upped the odds on Dominican to 150-1.

Speaking of the Bluegrass, its strains credibility that folks are still insisting the pace was throttled to a 1.16.3 at 6 poles. A 1.13.4 maybe. A 1.14.4 possibly, but there is NO way in racing to throttle back to 1.16.3 on a fast track with that quality of animal. Its just not possible and apparently, I am the only one that understands this. Is that narcissistic?

The horses ran hard, but any number is suspect. The rail was treachery. The backside a quagmire. It was a conditioning race. End of Story.

CtC

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

appreciate that notice Big, wasn\'t factoring him anyway, but I believe the Pletcher stable has problems you can see it in the movement.

[easygoer89]

while I am new too this message board, I have found some of the comments a little over the top.  The last time I checked we all buy these sheets to give us an upper hand at the window.  Whether you like Pletcher or not his horses keep putting money in our pockets.  Until they stop him from doing whatever it is he is doing all we can do is play the horses by the numbers.  While I have been using the TG sheets since Silver Charms Derby (cashed a lot more IRS tickets since) I am by far an expert with them.  But I have followed the sport religously since 78 here is my opinion of the Derby field.  

For starters I am so confused over the Blue Grass that I am simply going ignore that race, other than to point out Dom until he wins on dirt is a poly horse.

SS is the most logical horse in the race off his CD race and works, but probably will offer little value unless 5:1 or better.

Zanjero is usable only underneath in ex/tri.

CQ could be used if not for the 8 week layoff. If Mott was trying this move maybe!

Curlin, while #\'s are good no race @2 and low price makes him a bet against.

AGS pattern is usable if 8:1 or better.

Cowtown Cat is very playable and I like his last work and think he is coming into race better than any of Pletchers horses.  Another thing if you all think he is going to use this horse to benefit his other horses I want what your smoking.  He wants to win a Derby so bad he is trying to get them all there the best he can.

Hard Spun is bred to run all day and has a good pattern.

NoBiz would finally have to run a new top, and Tagg nows what it takes at CD.

My plan is to use CC, HS and AGS on top of NoBiz, SS, and Scat Daddy.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

lol

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> This horse has send and stop written all over him.
> Pletcher knows what he is doing.
>
> Think Honour and Glory.
>
> No that wasn\'t me in the NHC or on the blog. But
> if he said a lot of nasty things about a lot
> really good people.
>
> Then I want credit for it..........

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

easygoer89 Wrote:
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>
> Cowtown Cat is very playable and I like his last
> work and think he is coming into race better than
> any of Pletchers horses.  Another thing if you all
> think he is going to use this horse to benefit his
> other horses I want what your smoking.  He wants
> to win a Derby so bad he is trying to get them all
> there the best he can.

I agree with what you say here for a couple of reasons. I think The other Pletchers have peaked and Cowtown may have a good one in him. I\'m discounting him on top, but it would not totally shock me. Good Luck.
>
> Hard Spun is bred to run all day and has a good
> pattern.
>
> NoBiz would finally have to run a new top, and
> Tagg nows what it takes at CD.
>
> My plan is to use CC, HS and AGS on top of NoBiz,
> SS, and Scat Daddy.

[big18741]

Tucker:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/84478.html

[MO]

I refuse  to pay to read an article. If I get the gist of this article, Scat Daddy is wearing bar shoes. If so, Automatic throw out.

Hard Spun is an intersting horse. I think he will be my backup.

[ajkreider]

You don\'t have to pay to read it.  It\'s a free sign-up for DRF!!

Pletcher says he won\'t where them on Saturday - and anyway, how big of an issue could it be - SD put in the 2nd best time at the distance, and I can\'t imagine Pletcher putting him through a tough work and risk an injury.

Here\'s hoping everyone else does a throw-out too.

[MO]

I got propmted for a PAY article. I already have access to the free stuff.

There is only 1 reason to wear a bar shoe - cracked hooves. He\'s gonna get well between now and Sat? This I gotta see.

[RICH]

inquiring minds NEED TO KNOW, bar shoes in a workout, doesn\'t sound good, expert opinions please?

[RICH]

Thanks MO, scat daddy goodbye?

[big18741]

Worn for protection and support.If there were no issues why wear them?

[ajkreider]

Obviously there\'s \"an issue\", but it didn\'t affect his work and he\'s not wearing them (supposedly) on saturday.  If come saturday, he\'s wearing them and the track is sloppy (which is possible), then he\'s a toss.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

ajkreider Wrote:
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 I
> can\'t imagine Pletcher putting him through a tough
> work and risk an injury.
>

lol

Definitely a concern. Someone mentioned infirmity issues with Scat and Quay. I guess that was fairly apparent but the bar shoe definitely takes what shine was left off the apple.

I was going to toss him for all but 4th anyway. This is a tough race when you get a chance to eliminate a horse upon jockey selection, physical issue and questionable company you take it in such a race.

Goodbye Scat