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Chuckles_the_Clown2

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Urgent: Larry Jones and the Mischievous Elf
« on: June 05, 2007, 08:59:46 PM »
Rags to Riches enters the Belmont and Garret (I wish I were bigtime Gomez) tries to renege upon his commitment to Hard Spun.

This concern goes out urgently to Larry Jones. Anyone knowing the Happy Cowboy, please advise him that opportunity knocks once in a lifetime and that when it knocks one must be prepared to answer the door without distraction or impediment. Mr. Jones, you have a cancer in your midst. That cancer is Garret Wee Man Gomez. He is infecting your horse and your future with his negativity. Now is not the time to try and retain him.  When jockeys can\'t meet their commitments leading up to big races they dont meet your expectations in the running of those races.

You\'re not a young trainer. You\'ve seen it all. We don\'t need to go into detail. You wan\'t a Jockey tested at 12 furlongs and ready to run his eyeballs out for YOU? Pick up the Phone and dial 1-800-Jeremy Rose. Or put Mario Pino back up. It takes a big man to reverse a bad decision. It takes a little man to ignore bad developments.  Don\'t play around with this disease in your midst. Opportunity knocked for Garret Gomez and he was out to lunch. Its knocking for you right now.

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones and the Mischievous Elf
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 10:39:29 PM »
Hey Chuck,

I kind of like your \"Manning Up\" or \"Horsing Up\" series of posts.

Nice work...

NC Tony

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones and another idiot critic of his
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 12:15:07 PM »
Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
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> This concern goes out urgently to Larry Jones.
> Anyone knowing the Happy Cowboy, please advise him
> that opportunity knocks once in a lifetime and
> that when it knocks one must be prepared to answer
> the door without distraction or impediment. Mr.
> Jones, you have a cancer in your midst. That
> cancer is Garret Wee Man Gomez. He is infecting
> your horse and your future with his negativity.
> Now is not the time to try and retain him.  When
> jockeys can\'t meet their commitments leading up to
> big races they dont meet your expectations in the
> running of those races.


Out of all your moronic posts, this one tops all. Gomez is a cancer? He can\'t meet his commitment? You\'re pathetically trying to create drama out of nothing.

If Hard Spun is ready to run his race, then he\'ll run his race. Whether his odds will be fair for taking the risk on that \"if\" is another issue. Gomez will do the best he can and that\'s better than anybody right now. Show a little respect for once, even if you have none for yourself.

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones Dissed
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 06:44:55 PM »
Flat out, I am urging Larry Jones to fire Gomez for the stunt involving the politics to avoid his commitment to ride Hard Spun. The language used by the agent was additional reason to dismiss Gomez and not deal with that kind of negativity again.

Looking at it from Gomez\'s agent\'s perspective. It seems pretty clear that Rags to Riches is the class of the filly crop and can probably win about any race among 3YO fillies she is pointed for and its possible that Hard Spun may only be 3rd best of the boys. Additionally, if Johnny V gets a big run out of Rags to Riches in the Belmont, its probably \"Adios\" for Gomez. Why should Pletcher turn her back over to Gomez at that point? From a selfish pecuniary perspective, I can understand Gomez and Anderson trying to take off Hard Spun. From an ethical and intangible perspective I consider it dishonor and deceit. In that regard I\'d strongly suggest that you might want to reflect upon integrity yourself before you question the bona fides of others.

Perhaps unlike you and others, I\'m not prone to place much  stock in the jockey. Any number of 4 dozen jockeys could ride Hard Spun with having had the opportunity to ride the better mounts previously.  What counts with me is a jockey that meets his commitments. If a Jockey commits to work a horse prior to a big race he sure as hell better show up for that work. If a jockey commits to ride a horse in a big race, he sure as hell better not attempt to renege upon his honor to avoid his word and that ride. Those kind of circumtances are negative and cancerous. They infect and spread and the reason they spread is because the horse itself has empathy for the non verbal. A horse can sense the confidence and enthusiasm of those surrounding it. A horse can also sense the negative. Those intangible factors and an individual\'s breach of honor matter far more to me than a cancerous wee man and his monetary machinations.

I am also exhorting Larry Jones to not employ Gomez in the future.

Now go get a shrink.

CtC

flushedstraight Wrote:
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> Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This concern goes out urgently to Larry Jones.
> > Anyone knowing the Happy Cowboy, please advise
> him
> > that opportunity knocks once in a lifetime and
> > that when it knocks one must be prepared to
> answer
> > the door without distraction or impediment. Mr.
> > Jones, you have a cancer in your midst. That
> > cancer is Garret Wee Man Gomez. He is infecting
> > your horse and your future with his negativity.
> > Now is not the time to try and retain him.
> When
> > jockeys can\'t meet their commitments leading up
> to
> > big races they dont meet your expectations in
> the
> > running of those races.
>
>
> Out of all your moronic posts, this one tops all.
> Gomez is a cancer? He can\'t meet his commitment?
> You\'re pathetically trying to create drama out of
> nothing.
>
> If Hard Spun is ready to run his race, then he\'ll
> run his race. Whether his odds will be fair for
> taking the risk on that \"if\" is another issue.
> Gomez will do the best he can and that\'s better
> than anybody right now. Show a little respect for
> once, even if you have none for yourself.

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones and the Mischievous Elf
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2007, 09:02:30 PM »
CTC,

 Great post Chuckles.It\'s blatently obvious Gomez is not \"old school\".

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones and another idiot critic of his
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2007, 09:10:37 PM »
Flushed,
  Gomez reminds me of that spoiled little kid in the first Harry Potter movie
crying about only receiving 36 presents,when only last year he received 37.
Gomez already dropped his credibility when he tried to weasel out of his
commitment.What he should have done was not say a word and focus on being a
true pro.I cannot agree with Chuckles more emphatically.

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones Dissed
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2007, 11:52:47 PM »
Chucktacular Bid:

 You have been in top form lately, but do not get too wrapped up in \"politics\".
Quite possible that Anderson/Gomez think that a fresh RTR is a more likely
Belmont winner than a hard spent Hard Spun, and I tend to agree with them.

Other comments (mostly repeats):

Curlin: Albarado 4/5 no value, wins easily or bounces like a superball.
Appearance wise, have always been a sucker for a flashy chestnut and this is a
good looking critter.

Hard Spun: Tired Now.

RTR: Do not think she was ever pointed towards this race, TAP looks to take
advantage of 2 vulnerable favorites and a short field.

Tiago: Has a shot off TG #s and race spacing, but how disgusting will it be when
Iron Mike Smith saves no ground in a short field at 1- 1/2 miles?

Imwildncrazy: Lets see. NW3LT. Both career wins at CRC, the original synthetic
surface. Non winner as a 3YO. Never won a stake. $17,000 yearling running
against horses who have changed hands for $millions. As fast as Tiago, but like
Tiago will offer no value in a short field.

Digger: Thank God Lawrence the Plumber put his tomato can back on the shelf.

At first glance, looking at leaving Curlin and HS out of P4s and P6s.

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones Dissed
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2007, 03:05:45 AM »
Dont forget that RTR will be in receipt of 5 pounds which I believe is one point which I believe equates to some serious ground over one mile and half.

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones Dissed
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2007, 03:15:37 AM »
You\'ve really outdone yourself this time, Drama Queen.

Are you saying Gomez is the only top jockey to ever try to get out of a commitment?? There have been many jockeys that have gotten out of commitments when circumstances change. Where was all of your righteous indignation then??

Judging by how upset you are, I almost thought he asked off of Easy Goer.
P-Dub

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Revelations, The Rapture and The Bounce
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2007, 06:08:31 AM »
And in the final chapter of the Holiest of the Holy books, written by prophets and seers of visions, it is said that in the end after running very fast without adequate time to rest and recover, Pegasus and his kind will reacte to those strenous efforts and will fall from grace with the Bounce. So sayeth the seers.

In 2005, four horses came to the Derby off Specatular Efforts. They were,

Bellamy Road -4, Four weeks rest
Bandini      -3, Three weeks rest
Afleet Alex  -2, Three weeks Rest and
Greeleys Galaxy -2, Four weeks rest

When the race was over the Fab Four were nowhere to be seen and Giacomo ran a smooth even paced race to win at 50-1. The Book of Rapture and Bounce prophesied that the Fab Four would not bless their backers and it was so.

The Righteous play this Belmont may be to toss Curlin the King. He ran a number in the Preakness that is generally reactive and he ran very hard in the later stages of that race to pull it off. Curlin comes back on 3 weeks rest to run in the most demanding race he will face in his career.

However, Curlin has already broken the mold in many respects. By observation he is blooming at Elmont. The wise play is to not buck the Book of Bounce with a short odds favorite, but I\'m getting the sense this horse can break some more trends.

The filly is an interesting addition, but she\'s a filly, and not as fast as the colts despite the weight concession. She\'s also only attempted 9 panels. They may believe she is bred to go on and on, but shes certainly never been there, nor been as far as the boys either. I like her pedigree, but I\'ve seen plenty of A.p.Indy\'s that dont want to run past 9 poles also.

Four horses intrigue me. Wild Guy, C.P. West, Slew\'s Tizzy and Tiago. The pace of the race will be a factor but these four have shown enough in respective races to merit careful consideration.

Of all the horses running, Slew\'s Tizzy is the horse with the pedigree that is the most sneaky for back breeding to win at this distance.

There really isn\'t a horse that can be tossed from the exotics, let alone the win spot with the possible exception of the filly. (Same as it ever was.) However, in this case I give Pletcher the credit for daring greatly.

Its a good race and is going to require very careful bets to win.

richiebee Wrote:
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> Chucktacular Bid:
>
>  You have been in top form lately, but do not get
> too wrapped up in \"politics\".
> Quite possible that Anderson/Gomez think that a
> fresh RTR is a more likely
> Belmont winner than a hard spent Hard Spun, and I
> tend to agree with them.
>
> Other comments (mostly repeats):
>
> Curlin: Albarado 4/5 no value, wins easily or
> bounces like a superball.
> Appearance wise, have always been a sucker for a
> flashy chestnut and this is a
> good looking critter.
>
> Hard Spun: Tired Now.
>
> RTR: Do not think she was ever pointed towards
> this race, TAP looks to take
> advantage of 2 vulnerable favorites and a short
> field.
>
> Tiago: Has a shot off TG #s and race spacing, but
> how disgusting will it be when
> Iron Mike Smith saves no ground in a short field
> at 1- 1/2 miles?
>
> Imwildncrazy: Lets see. NW3LT. Both career wins at
> CRC, the original synthetic
> surface. Non winner as a 3YO. Never won a stake.
> $17,000 yearling running
> against horses who have changed hands for
> $millions. As fast as Tiago, but like
> Tiago will offer no value in a short field.
>
> Digger: Thank God Lawrence the Plumber put his
> tomato can back on the shelf.
>
> At first glance, looking at leaving Curlin and HS
> out of P4s and P6s.

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Re: Revelations, The Rapture and The Bounce
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2007, 07:37:38 AM »
Hard Spun,CP West and Tizzy have all been on it or up close going fast.

Tizzy even with blinkers off was tracking quick splits in the Lone Star.Cp West chased fast splits in his last two.I\'ve seen Gomez get stupid in this race last year on Bob and John.Too fast to the half trying to fend off a sprinter High Finance.

Have to wonder if any of the three can rate and relax without pulling going a sensible clip.Leaning against.

Brings the gallopers Crazy guy and Tiago into the mix,and maybe to the top if Curlin goes back.The filly is the x-factor.

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones Dissed
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2007, 09:18:49 AM »
P-Dub Wrote:
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> Are you saying Gomez is the only top jockey to
> ever try to get out of a commitment?? There have
> been many jockeys that have gotten out of
> commitments when circumstances change.

Do you mean like Velazquez getting off Slews Tizzy in the same race in question? I suppose Johnny is a spoiled little deceitful cancerous weasel along with GG.

Et Tu Angel? How could you have assisted your prized protege in sinking this low?

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones Dissed
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2007, 10:16:13 AM »
Flushed,

  Thanks for the reminder.In addition to all of your suppositions you may
want to add highly overrated.

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Re: Urgent: Larry Jones Dissed
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2007, 12:47:13 PM »
Chuck,

I can tell you are off your meds again.You must know that Garret Gomez is one of the best riders of today, other issues aside.

Incidentally, the things posted here re Gomez, Johnny V. are NOTHING compared to the moves that Jerry Bailey would make to try take away a mount from another jockey.


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Re: new to the game
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2007, 12:51:32 PM »
TGJB,

What is your read of RTR getting the 5 lbs. On the scale of weights she is just brought to equality with the colts.Is it your opinion that she still has a point edge because you are looking strictly at how fast they run and dismissing gender.


Mike
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