Pletcher is God

[Silver Charm]

Once every 100 years.

Stumbling at the break, five wide all the way around.

Freak!!!!!!!

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

The really bad news is that I suffered a power outage and missed the race.

The good news is despite history being set those that wagered upon that history cashed at very low return. Paltry. Which means a whole lot of bettors went that way. See you guys next race.

It looks like Pletcher hedged his way into a lucky win. At least his mentor would have intended her all along.

Give Pletcher credit for daring greatly and having the best Vet in the game. Lets give credit where credit is due.

On a related note, lets let Velasquez keep that mount. Garret Gomez is a cancer.

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> Once every 100 years.
>
> Stumbling at the break, five wide all the way
> around.
>
> Freak!!!!!!!

[Silver Charm]

Chuckles,

Go back and take the Introduction course over again. With the five pound break in weights Rags ti Riches was as fast as Curlin in all three of her efforts except for Curlins last.

Which gave this Player enough reason to think he couldn\'t do it again and with the five weeks rest she had a better one coming.

4-1 was a gift.

[Boscar Obarra]

Not to mention TP was clearly a winner in the days mojo auction, with two previous winners on the card.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

lol if you say so....

I didn\'t see the race and didn\'t hear it. Just reviewed the chart. I think everyone knew she had a lot to overcome but was a filly with a flyers chance on regression. She\'ll accomplish more than her half brother, but won\'t ever venture so boldly again.

Cashing is Cashing. If you sent the house in at 4-1 its a nice score but anyone claiming they got that brave is good fodder next time. I think the women bet this horse. They love the underdog mare empowerment scenario.

She won in the only way it was possible, ambushing with regression efforts on the part of the warriors and winning in a strangely run race by a small margin in slowish time.

She broke my Triple Super Sting and Pletchers even bigger Goose Egg triple sting.
I\'ll have to take solace in how small the return was, how poorly Gomez rode and how off Moss was on the pace. My major play was Hard Spun. Downgraded upon Gomez and then ratio increased on the win when the odds looked tempting.

Congrats to those that lofted the big balloons. One thing they\'ll never be able to take away from her is the Day she ambushed the Belmont.

Rags to Riches for Champion 3YO Colt!

lol

CtC


Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Chuckles,
>
> Go back and take the Introduction course over
> again. With the five pound break in weights Rags
> ti Riches was as fast as Curlin in all three of
> her efforts except for Curlins last.
>
> Which gave this Player enough reason to think he
> couldn\'t do it again and with the five weeks rest
> she had a better one coming.
>
> 4-1 was a gift.

[Silver Charm]

Very humble post CtC.

>She won in the only way it was possible, ambushing with regression efforts on >the part of the warriors and winning in a strangely run race by a small margin >in slowish time.

I beg to differ on that point. They ran the last quarter in 23 4/4 she took a couple of solid bumps and only needed to be whipped twice.

Realize what you saw today was special. She will not be cranking Negative 3\'s like Curlin has going forward. But as much as he has raced it is debatable how many more times he will either.

This was her second race in three months proving you do not need to be hard raced to be fit, tough or prove you are courageous.

Time will tell where they all land in history. She made her spot in it today, Curlin made his three weeks ago and Street Sense did his five weeks ago.

For now enjoy what you saw. Racing will on the front page of tomorrows sports section.

And for all the right reasons.........

[fkach]

\"Realize what you saw today was special.\"

I agree.

I was around in the days when they used to let 3YO fillies run 1 1/2 miles on the dirt. Even a lot of the very good ones used to stagger home and run very subpar at the distance even while winning. It has long been my view that the very best fillies can sprint with the best colts, but as distances stretch out, the colts hold the upper hand in the stamina department (I am talking on dirt here).

The speed figure will probably show that Curlin regressed, but IMHO, he finished very powerfully and simply couldn\'t get by that filly. I think he did run his \"A\" race. I\'m not going to hold a slightly lower figure against him  because they only ran hard for the last 3-4 furlongs. That was an  exceptionally fast final 2F for a 12F dirt race and the top two put a lot of distance between themselves and the others.

I think we should be celebrating a potentially magnificent filly instead of assuming Curlin didn\'t run his best.

[Silver Charm]

Agree with all of the above.

Tiago was a fresh horse who was improving and ran well and was dusted by the top two.

This may be one case where maybe the figure should be adjusted for pace simply because of the previously made points. Hard to imagine Tiago went backwards and that being the case the filly had to have gone forward.

Curlin had every chance and was beaten by a better runner. Period

Congrats goes out to TG. They had her Stakes win at SA very fast for a Feb filly and she stayed that way deservedly so on their numbers.

That FEB Stakes race was almost hard to believe even after having watched with my own eyes. I sent the word out after that race on to two other pals, one who hammered yesterday and another who emptied the ATM machine on her in the Ky Oaks. Both are TG users.

Which brings us to another question.

How does a 3YO filly who is better than the 3YO boys go off at 3-2 against her own sex?

[Perfect Drift]

I see Rags and Curlin got a 107 Beyer, which he must have pulled out of his @ss, because the track was playing very fast AND there was a headwind on the homestretch. I don\'t have a clue about the watering and other things that cause variations in track condition, but look at these times:

Nw1x ALW 6f  108.81

Birdstone Stk 9f  147.33

True North 6f  108.70

Woody Stephens 7f  121.49

Acorn 8f  134.70  (6f split 109.13)

Belmont  24.74, 50.14, 115.32, 140.23, 204.91, 228.74

I need to stop hearing how GREAT this race was... it was similar to the B.S. Blue Grass and any number is nothing more than conjecture.  She was bred for the distance and able to provide a bit more acceleration than Curlin.  The fact she was wide is moot since she was running slower than 90% of all workouts.  TAP is planning the CCA Oaks (good move) and the Travers (her Waterloo).  She doesn\'t want any part of Street Sense with ample rest at an honest pace over 10f at SAR.

[TGJB]

We\'ll post the Belmont sheets later today, but Beyer got it pretty close, and you\'ll see it\'s solid. And I didn\'t do anything fancy to get there.

[high roller]

whoever this guy perfect drift is, is COMPLETELY ON TARGET. i figured the race at most a beyer 103, with rags getting a negative number because of ground loss, interestly beyer changed the oaks to a 107.

[TGJB]

HR-- you\'re right if you factor in ground loss, but Beyer doesn\'t, so he ends up at 107. If you adjust that for ground loss it would come up too fast.

[bobphilo]

high roller Wrote:
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> whoever this guy perfect drift is, is COMPLETELY
> ON TARGET. i figured the race at most a beyer 103,
> with rags getting a negative number because of
> ground loss, interestly beyer changed the oaks to
> a 107.

I can see Beyer adjusting a race figure when the subsequent performance of several horses exiting that race indicates the original figure was off. However changing the Oaks figure just to give R2R a pair-up in the Belmont, where a slight improvement at a distance she was bred for is perfectly reasonable, seems totally absurd.

Bob

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Drift, I swear I did not read your post before mine in response to the TFig assigned but I\'m in complete accord.

Look at the Good News. This site and the other two set the value in subsequent races. Not only will she take the Lady Lira next time, she\'ll take Negative 2 money. Lets bide our time.

CtC

Perfect Drift Wrote:
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> I see Rags and Curlin got a 107 Beyer, which he
> must have pulled out of his @ss, because the track
> was playing very fast AND there was a headwind on
> the homestretch. I don\'t have a clue about the
> watering and other things that cause variations in
> track condition, but look at these times:
>
> Nw1x ALW 6f  108.81
>
> Birdstone Stk 9f  147.33
>
> True North 6f  108.70
>
> Woody Stephens 7f  121.49
>
> Acorn 8f  134.70  (6f split 109.13)
>
> Belmont  24.74, 50.14, 115.32, 140.23, 204.91,
> 228.74
>
> I need to stop hearing how GREAT this race was...
> it was similar to the B.S. Blue Grass and any
> number is nothing more than conjecture.  She was
> bred for the distance and able to provide a bit
> more acceleration than Curlin.  The fact she was
> wide is moot since she was running slower than 90%
> of all workouts.  TAP is planning the CCA Oaks
> (good move) and the Travers (her Waterloo).  She
> doesn\'t want any part of Street Sense with ample
> rest at an honest pace over 10f at SAR.

[Silver Charm]

High Roller,

Where did you get the Oaks Number revision from?

And why would Ragozin be giving this race a negative number when their scale is around three points slower than TG?

Also a guy who bets as much as you, do you make your own figures?