A Tail of Two Meets and Question for TGJB

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

The Spring Belmont Meet ended with Plech winning 33 of 110 races for a strike rate of 30% and he was top trainer in total purses won of almost 2,800,000. Its nice to win races and Plech finished that meet with more winners than place and show finishers combined.

110-33,14,17

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbTopLeadersByTrackDisplay.cfm?TRK=BEL&CY=USA&STAT=T&STYLE=BEL

The recently concluded Saratoga Meet wasn\'t as much of a statistical strike rate success for Plech, though he started a few more horses and won approximately 2,100,000 in purses and once again was the top trainer in money won.

115-13,12,16

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbTopLeadersByTrackDisplay.cfm?TRK=SAR&CY=USA&STAT=T&STYLE=SAR

Plech did lose his string of Saratoga Training Titles. He had won five straight Saratoga Titles beginning in his Stable Die Off year of 2002 and up through 2006. Previously he had won Saratoga in 1998. However this year a horseman caught up to him and left him in the dust. These things happen when you fall off 20 winners. 20 horses that not only didn\'t win, but didn\'t hit the board.

2007-Bill Mott
2006-Plech
2005-Plech
2004-Plech
2003-Plech
2002-Plech
2001-Bill Mott
2000-Bill Mott
1999-Bill Mott
1998-Plech
1997-Bill Mott
1996-Bill Mott
1995-Bill Mott
1994-Shug McGaughey
1993-Bill Mott
1992-Bill Mott

Obviously, Plech has the best horses and best stable help and is the very best there has ever been. With those attributes Saratoga would have to be a one time anomaly. Lets watch him reclaim his form at Belmont this fall. And, if he can\'t reclaim that 30% strike rate, lets count the open daylight wins in Grade I stakes and track records that fall or nearly fall. Now, if he could only run Lawyer Ron and Rags to Riches every week with a week off.

God its Good to have Good Horses!

Jerry, it recently occurred to me that Blood is Not a Performance Enhancing Drug. To your knowledge do any of the State Regulations prohibit Blood Packing?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Yes, it is poor form to reply to ones own post, but after a very cursory check I was not able to ascertain any Racing Jurisdictions that consider \"Blood Packing\" \"Performance Enhancing\". If that is true, its unlikely the jurisdictions are testing for Donor Blood. If both of those premises are correct, gentlemen and ladies, we have in all likelihood identified an important Super-trainer elixir.

It would be identified, as it has been, within the oxygen cycle.

I know, I know, Chuckles has a funny nickname, speculates wildly and doesn\'t understand anything.

lol



Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
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> The Spring Belmont Meet ended with Plech winning
> 33 of 110 races for a strike rate of 30% and he
> was top trainer in total purses won of almost
> 2,800,000. Its nice to win races and Plech
> finished that meet with more winners than place
> and show finishers combined.
>
> 110-33,14,17
>
> http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbTopLeadersByTra
> ckDisplay.cfm?TRK=BEL&CY=USA&STAT=T&STYLE=BEL
>
> The recently concluded Saratoga Meet wasn\'t as
> much of a statistical strike rate success for
> Plech, though he started a few more horses and won
> approximately 2,100,000 in purses and once again
> was the top trainer in money won.
>
> 115-13,12,16
>
> http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbTopLeadersByTra
> ckDisplay.cfm?TRK=SAR&CY=USA&STAT=T&STYLE=SAR
>
> Plech did lose his string of Saratoga Training
> Titles. He had won five straight Saratoga Titles
> beginning in his Stable Die Off year of 2002 and
> up through 2006. Previously he had won Saratoga in
> 1998. However this year a horseman caught up to
> him and left him in the dust. These things happen
> when you fall off 20 winners. 20 horses that not
> only didn\'t win, but didn\'t hit the board.
>
> 2007-Bill Mott
> 2006-Plech
> 2005-Plech
> 2004-Plech
> 2003-Plech
> 2002-Plech
> 2001-Bill Mott
> 2000-Bill Mott
> 1999-Bill Mott
> 1998-Plech
> 1997-Bill Mott
> 1996-Bill Mott
> 1995-Bill Mott
> 1994-Shug McGaughey
> 1993-Bill Mott
> 1992-Bill Mott
>
> Obviously, Plech has the best horses and best
> stable help and is the very best there has ever
> been. With those attributes Saratoga would have to
> be a one time anomaly. Lets watch him reclaim his
> form at Belmont this fall. And, if he can\'t
> reclaim that 30% strike rate, lets count the open
> daylight wins in Grade I stakes and track records
> that fall or nearly fall. Now, if he could only
> run Lawyer Ron and Rags to Riches every week with
> a week off.
>
> God its Good to have Good Horses!
>
> Jerry, it recently occurred to me that Blood is
> Not a Performance Enhancing Drug. To your
> knowledge do any of the State Regulations prohibit
> Blood Packing?

[fkach]

The problem is that even \"IF\" you are correct, and it\'s NOT ILLEGAL, that makes all the difference in terms of who should be getting trashed here.

In a hyper competitive environment how can you blame those with the resources from taking advantage of all legal options?  IMO, you can\'t. You have to blame those that make the rules.

Since I know less than nothing about blood packing, I\'d be curious to know whether there are any well known long term downsides to the health of the receiver. If there are, then it would warrant some criticism IF it is actually occurring.

[sighthound]

I\'m still wondering where Chuckles thinks the blood will come from ....

[miff]

Chuck,

Just as milkshakes became the rage a couple of years ago(even though it was happening at the trots 20 years ago) fooling with \"fresh\" or rejuvinated blood is something the racing game was aware of in my dark days of owning harness horses(Lord forgive me).

It all sounds like a nice conspiracy but you are really not aware of the traffic and security at the barn area for such a messy procedure. If it\'s being done, the procedure has been streamlined, perfected, neat and quickly executed and Chuck there are things, like random sampling/testing going on which no one is supposed to know or talk about, but it\'s happening.There has never been a time, in NY, when cheaters are actually in serious jeopardy of being caught. With new money, Charlie Hayward has promised to come down on this illegal drug thing \"like a ton of bricks\"

I think, surprisingly, that you drank too much of the conspiracy White Mercedes stuff and lost focus of basic issues such as pricey fast stock and superior horse flesh. Fast horses make trainers look like  better horsemen than they are.There is no substitute for talented horses except for illegal designer drugs.How are all of these things happening with NO ONE droping a dime and no real positives to speak of.The greatest conspiracy ever, this TAP thing you latched on.

There seems to be a small group of cheaters in NY who have stayed ahead of testing but with that playing field being leveled in the near future, it will really be interesting to see how the win percentage of some will be affected.Stay tuned.


Mike

[miff]

DRF Reports that Diabolical has been purchased by the Sheikh and is heading out of the country to Dubai,no Breeders Cup.

Wonder why he doesn\'t buy any NY Bred slow rats.

Mike

[stillinger]

One less exotic way to increase red blood cells is to come back on four days rest if you have legs and feet left. It was always my understanding that red cells were at a more than \"normal\" level due to recovering at about that juncture.

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[stillinger]

The next meaningful embargo of the US could be Thoroughbred blood!
They buy EVERY horse that Tabor doesn\'t. And pay so much no one can say no.
Or is that a provincial attitude in a global sport of sheiks?
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[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Mike,

Surely you give me more credit than that?

I am not illustrating a 1960\'s hospital bed save the actors life transfusion with all the tubes, apparatus and personnel.

If you\'re asking my opinion on how its done the donor horse samples are taken off track. The blood is separated in chemistry classroom manner and the important elements are identified, stored and then reintroduced off track as well, but anytime the Vet wants to make a dusk or dawn visit with a lookout, it would be very feasible to introduce the collected blood material to the subject horse on track as well.

You\'re stating its been done in your presence or with your knowledge. I don\'t think there\'s any more to say, other than to demand Regulations and Donor Blood testing.

I\'ve suspected they were going to go this route ever since the EPO side effects. I\'m quite sure they are here now, but I\'m not sure the Rules can currently cope with the stables having the wherewithal to cheat in this manner. I\'m not being coy, we all know who we are talking about.

 

miff Wrote:
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> Chuck,
>
> Just as milkshakes became the rage a couple of
> years ago(even though it was happening at the
> trots 20 years ago) fooling with \"fresh\" or
> rejuvinated blood is something the racing game was
> aware of in my dark days of owning harness
> horses(Lord forgive me).
>
> It all sounds like a nice conspiracy but you are
> really not aware of the traffic and security at
> the barn area for such a messy procedure. If it\'s
> being done, the procedure has been streamlined,
> perfected, neat and quickly executed and Chuck
> there are things, like random sampling/testing
> going on which no one is supposed to know or talk
> about, but it\'s happening.There has never been a
> time, in NY, when cheaters are actually in serious
> jeopardy of being caught. With new money, Charlie
> Hayward has promised to come down on this illegal
> drug thing \"like a ton of bricks\"
>
> I think, surprisingly, that you drank too much of
> the conspiracy White Mercedes stuff and lost focus
> of basic issues such as pricey fast stock and
> superior horse flesh. Fast horses make trainers
> look like  better horsemen than they are.There is
> no substitute for talented horses except for
> illegal designer drugs.How are all of these things
> happening with NO ONE droping a dime and no real
> positives to speak of.The greatest conspiracy
> ever, this TAP thing you latched on.
>
> There seems to be a small group of cheaters in NY
> who have stayed ahead of testing but with that
> playing field being leveled in the near future, it
> will really be interesting to see how the win
> percentage of some will be affected.Stay tuned.
>
>
> Mike

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Hmmm, very interesting. I was not aware of that. But I do know the physical body is a very adaptive system. If a horse ran hard four days previously and its muscles starved for oxygen it would not be a surprise to me that its system, short term, created more red blood cells to compensate or as a result of lactic acid buildup. Maybe there is something to running a horse every week. Of course, he\'s got to have the bone and sinew for it too and not many modern sires are capable of passing on durability.

stillinger Wrote:
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> One less exotic way to increase red blood cells is
> to come back on four days rest if you have legs
> and feet left. It was always my understanding that
> red cells were at a more than \"normal\" level due
> to recovering at about that juncture.
>
> skip

[twoshoes]

< I was not aware of that. But I do know the physical body is a very adaptive system. If a horse ran hard four days previously and its muscles starved for oxygen it would not be a surprise to me that its system, short term, created more red blood cells to compensate or as a result of lactic acid buildup.>

Congratulations Chuckster,

You\'ve blown the lid off Oscar Barrera.

[Boscar Obarra]

Let\'s see, at that rate we\'ll figure out what TP did in 2032

[sighthound]

>> If a horse ran hard four days previously and its muscles starved for oxygen >>> it would not be a surprise to me that its system, short term, created more >>> red blood cells to compensate or as a result of lactic acid buildup.

Your ability to rewrite basis physiology simply continues to astound.

[stillinger]

True, but I bet that\'s how the idea got started. And and I always thought the underlying fundamental to Rick D\'s short turnarounds. They have been profitable for him. I always thought it was common knowledge that Pete Ferriola blood doped, but I say that only because he is no longer around, and I don\'t say that to disparage his efforts - only to indicate how long ago I thought that was happening. I only saw the short turn arounds in the winter. That could have been BS. Another thing along this line a long time ago was 1-2 races and out for a while kind of PP. That in the days of my youth was chips or a bow that could get cold if you froze it after resting, but in the 90\'s seemed to be a common albuterol training schedule. Again, what do I know? I had a reaction to Red Bank and that time frame, but I had a stronger reaction to the young animals that Mr Lukas went through for a dying owner he was making happy but really trashing animals that couldn\'t stand his training style, so it ain\'t all about one thing or another and as JB made clear, most stuff is WITHIN The rules as stated, and walking that fine line makes everyone more successful. That\'s the US so far. Capitalism run rampant, not just at the track, but there too. This is where we live and I appreciate your passion for fairness but I agree with others that this is an era we will survive. It wasn\'t much fun in the old days to know that everything from sponges in noses, to synthetic heroin for nerve blocks were used everywhere cheap horses were running, to win a bet. Now there are some questions that really affect the breed and do chase the tourists away and we need their money. It ain\'t Camelot but it ain\'t the hell realm either. We\'ll get around this somehow - I remember when cleaner air in LA sounded impossible, on the other hand being threatened by people in Afghanistan sounded far fetched 20 years ago. Yin and Yang.

Personally, I don\'t think you just want attention. I think that what you would like is for people to realize that just because it looks like Lord & Taylor doesn\'t mean it can\'t have a little Enron in it and most people don\'t want to hear that. Training on things that you can\'t run on, steroids being legal, all this is a very unusual playing field. But honestly, I grew up with buzzers and shenanigans that I don\'t think happen in the Apple now.

Remember to win.

[richiebee]

Sight:

Sorry I gotta have a little fun with this.

You asked Chuckto Star (Balto Star,a Glitterman product who TAP got to go 1-1/2
miles on the turf, one of my favorite TAP runners) where the blood will come
from.

Isn\'t it common knowledge that the carcasses of all great deceased runners were
exsanquinated before said carcasses were disposed of? And the blood taken from
these great runners-- Forego, Slew, Affirmed, Alydar, the Bid, etc-- was frozen?
And that this \"Champion Blood\" could be mass (re)produced using recombinant DNA
technology?

Hell I wouldn\'t be surprised if TAP, not satisfied to have a Belmont runner who
had Belmont winners on BOTH SIDES of her immediate pedigree, gave her a
transfusion of a couple of pints of Secretariat\'s blood, just to make sure she
got the distance.

I\'m getting goose bumps thinking that the blood of some of the great geldings
of our time-- like Forego-- raced into the future, even though a cruel turn of
the knife prevented us from ever seeing any produce from this game champion.

Michael Crichton meets Dick Francis and they drive off in the White Mercedes.
Who do you like in the first race at Jurarlington Park?