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shanahan

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rag to riches hurt - out?
« on: September 16, 2007, 11:24:01 AM »
there was an announcment at noon - anyone know what it was?

fkach

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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 12:23:18 PM »
Done for the year, but \"may\" come back next year.

Chuckles_the_Clown2

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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 01:28:25 PM »
Thats disappointing. She was going to be a very attractive target in the Distaff.

She goes out the way she came in running a representative number in defeat.

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> there was an announcment at noon - anyone know
> what it was?

Lost Cause

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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2007, 09:30:22 AM »
It looks like she has a hairline fracture that happened during the stretch run of the Gazelle.  Makes sense...when looking at that race Rags just did not look right down the stretch..not to take anything away from Lear\'s Princess but she is not in the same league as Rags when right...

marcus

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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2007, 10:30:32 AM »
Aside from losing my BC P-4 key in the Distaff , Racing will miss this \" Great\" filly on the track - I will . Also , I really hope they don\'t run her again as a 4 yo - perhaps racing in Dubai is whats being considered . It\'s difficult at times to fully appreciate  the pervasive effects of those Big or negative numbers on the health and well-being of the horses  ...
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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2007, 11:08:50 AM »
The Filly is gone forever.......

Mark it down.

P.Eckhart

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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2007, 01:33:41 PM »
..and the loss of the world\'s finest turf horse Manduro to a career ending injury and Super Frolic\'s been put down. There\'s been better weekends.

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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 03:31:33 PM »
Waht happenned to Super Frolic...Is this the first breakdown on Tapeta?

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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2007, 05:14:28 PM »
Super Frolic broke both sesamoids and had to be put down. It was not the first breakdown-- they had one in the first race run over the surface.

Dickinson called Ro (the owner, my client) to offer his condolences.
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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2007, 06:56:19 PM »
When it rains - it pours  . . .
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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2007, 07:16:44 PM »
I\'m sorry Jerry. He was a bit of a star crossed horse, but under your vision he accomplished more than he would have otherwise.

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> Super Frolic broke both sesamoids and had to be
> put down. It was not the first breakdown-- they
> had one in the first race run over the surface.
>
> Dickinson called Ro (the owner, my client) to
> offer his condolences.

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Re: rag to riches hurt - out?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2007, 07:24:03 PM »
marcus Wrote:
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> When it rains - it pours  . . .

Now that Chuck has assured me my animals are safe, (I didn\'t specifically qualify my Love Birds), I would say I was happy when Todd started well, (although I thought his public comments about stretching out some of his early TRACTOR thighed types was disingenuous, and I feel a bit sorry for him now. After much success, (please don\'t anyone take offense), and being young, this is no doubt a hard season. The look on his face when he was bringing that filly over was way too intense. I get it though; 20 years ago I was that intense about assignment, every opinion, every everything. About his age, I turned to medication! FOR MYSELF.

Maybe horses came undone like this in the old days and we just didn\'t know. Didn\'t sires used to last longer, for instance? Shuttling? How much can guys stand? Even of the good thing? Probably less prostrate trouble, but..

OK, let\'s get real. Either the drugs stop or the game will, except for Sheiks running vs each other. It looks like it will take nuclear war to wake people up about giving their leaders carte blanche on killing people, and the game will have to melt as we know it for its leadership (KY BREEDERS AMONG THESE) to wake up.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2007, 07:25:11 PM »
Just so folks are clear, Rags to Riches had never faced Lear\'s Princess until her career ending defeat. Lear\'s Princess IS in a differenet league from Raqs to Riches, that league is the league of horses that Rags to Riches did not beat.

Rags cooled out fine after the race and per usual showed no sign of having been injured until she slept on the injury. Game race horses rarely feel these things and if they do they don\'t let them impede their run. If Rags lost time in that race you can measure it by milliseconds. Afleet Alex won the Belmont with a similar bone type injury.

The problem Rags faced is she was not quite as fast as given credit for and while she was away others matured into her zone.

Lost Cause Wrote:
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> It looks like she has a hairline fracture that
> happened during the stretch run of the Gazelle.
> Makes sense...when looking at that race Rags just
> did not look right down the stretch..not to take
> anything away from Lear\'s Princess but she is not
> in the same league as Rags when right...

stillinger

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2007, 09:06:15 PM »
OK, It serves a purpose for us to have a chance to huff and puff here, but no matter how you measure it, anyone with eyes to see would have to give this filly some credit for 1) Her GR1 in California where she turned right leaving the outside gate and then being that wide and finishing on an old fashioned SO Cal track, if running vs goats. 2) The Oaks showed true grit on a funky track, and 3)she did win the Belmont on the square, no matter how \"tired\" the competition was and how well bred she was for the distance. The hype is understandable given the lack of stars and the need for something to say on TV and in sales catalogues world wide. The price of \"Flesh & Blood\" given the intention of DUBAI, inc to dominate and that family\'s cash position makes this certain, especially for their direct competition.

She is a nice horse, and they all mature at different times. Unfortunately we live in a \"marquee\" world and BEST is bantered when it would be best to just appreciate.

I will say that since I started being treated with hormones, some symptoms that used to be mysterious to me make more sense when they appear in equines. When the balance tips a little, I get short of wind, for instance, where before my current regimen I couldn\'t lift my shoulders so I don\'t bemoan, but back off. There must be a finer line than most realize. I also get little infections more often than I did but tissue that wouldn\'t heal, does. I am stronger, but testier.

My version was very much like Barry\'s in that I thought she was wrong when she tried and couldn\'t resist longer, when she threw her head slightly and seemed desperate. That\'s why I responded to a MSG from Barry with \"she has a problem\".

She ain\'t Ruffian,but in this day and age, a nice horse. Pretend you had no beef with anyone and watch her races like you would have when you were 9 yo. She isn\'t as fast as they want to believe and she did go wrong. Both are true.
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Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
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> Just so folks are clear, Rags to Riches had never
> faced Lear\'s Princess until her career ending
> defeat. Lear\'s Princess IS in a different league
> from Rags to Riches, that league is the league of
> horses that Rags to Riches did not beat.
>
> Rags cooled out fine after the race and per usual
> showed no sign of having been injured until she
> slept on the injury. Game race horses rarely feel
> these things and if they do they don\'t let them
> impede their run. If Rags lost time in that race
> you can measure it by milliseconds. Afleet Alex
> won the Belmont with a similar bone type injury.
>
> The problem Rags faced is she was not quite as
> fast as given credit for and while she was away
> others matured into her zone.
>
> Lost Cause Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It looks like she has a hairline fracture that
> > happened during the stretch run of the Gazelle.
>
> > Makes sense...when looking at that race Rags
> just
> > did not look right down the stretch..not to
> take
> > anything away from Lear\'s Princess but she is
> not
> > in the same league as Rags when right...

richiebee

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Re: A League of Her Own
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2007, 02:01:10 AM »
Chuckamy Road:

Give K-Mac credit, he\'s a smart enough horseman to realize that RTR, with
her trip to New Bolton and her missed workouts over the summer, may have been
vulnerable, especially carrying 7 extra pounds. He made the same sort of
judgment that TAP made in entering RTR in the Belmont Stakes, a judgment based
as much on the vulnerability of the competition as anything else.

Enough with the \"faster than given credit for\" line. You\'ve already shouted it
from the mountaintop. The board has already discussed the uncertainty built into
a number assigned to the only 1-1/2 mile race on the card, the only race of the
day when the clubhouse turn was raced over.

In an article wrapping up the Saratoga meet titled \"What a Difference Two
Decades Makes\", Steve Crist noted that the breed was far from improving. Set
against this stark reality, you have a filly sired by a Belmont winner and out
of a mare who produced a Belmont winner. Said filly won, in addition to the
Belmont Stakes,3 other Grade 1 stakes against her own gender,dominating all 3
races.Call it what you want-- class, quality, superiority-- if you love Racing
you hope that if Racing survives and flourishes as something more than a
carnival sideshow, this filly becomes a foundation for champions in many
generations.

Not only did her Belmont win reaffirm her pedigree, it also reaffirmed a lesson
we have all learned about racing-- that when any animal, no matter how good, is
pitched into a tough spot (ie, at an extended distance, a filly against colts,
against classier competition) said animal may win the day but will have to pay
the price in the future. I think the terminology on the other board is \"knock
out race\". On that level, even with the time off RTR was given,
Saturday\'s result was not shocking.

I think even Jerry Brown, Len Friedman and Barry Irwin could agree that RTR is
a brilliant specimen, though Len and Jerry probably wouldn\'t agree as to how
fast she really was. Given a consensus such as this, your subtle attempts to
discredit this runner create the possibility that you will have credibility
problems on the level of a certain current administration.

Although most of us have shamefully had to adjust our standards for \"Greatness\"
in thoroughbreds, there should be no shame in acknowledging greatness when we
encounter it. Based on her five race, six month campaign which culminated on
June 9th, I have no problem recommending RTR to the Greatness Committee for
consideration.

Need sleep now. An early tee time Tuesday, and Robert Trent Jones is waiting in
NJ to kick my tush.

Gotta go, love ya, bye.