Inflation in Prgress on TV

[richiebee]

TGJB:

I know how difficult it is for a New Yorker to go somewhere that probably
doesn\'t have decent Chinese and/or Italian food. But I think your absence
might insult Japanese fans who want to meet the legendary figure maker.

Maybe you could get a jump on the men of Rag and open up a new market in the
Land of the Rising Sun.

In any case if you are not going I propose that you send NCT in your place.
He could introduce himself as Jerry Brown and very few folks over there would
probably know the difference.

Seeing as NCT likes to snap the occasional photo, I am sure he would bond
instantly with his Japanese hosts.

[TGJB]

I\'m not much for Chinese, and the place I ate Italian, closed. That was a REAL loss-- close to home and the office, and the owner was a horseplayer. Comp sheets for great meals was a great deal.

[huck]

There is no reason to worry. I thought I heard Vic talking in terms of numbers yesterday myself, he was mentioning a certain horse running an 8 etc.I immediately felt just like you did, Oh No Vic is going to start giving away our edge. But then he promptly picked the favorite and I knew all was fine.

My point is most people don\'t read the sheets properly, they just learn to pick the fastest horse and never really understand what the sheets should be used for. I\'m not saying Vic doesn\'t know what he is talking about, I don\'t know him and handicapping on T.V. has no upside, but I do know most people still don\'t bet properly. When the pick 4 went to 50 cents at Keeneland, I was also worried, I felt people could play smarter and go deeper. It turns out they don\'t change there betting style at all, they still bet chalk and think hitting the all button is a smart play. Bottom line pools got bigger and payoffs improved. I think this could be a win win, Jerry sells more sheets and people now know who the fastest horse is, that\'s perfect.

I feel the same way about most pick 6 syndicates,just because they think they can buy a ticket,doesn\'t mean they have positive expectancy, let them fire away because those are bad bets and they help build the carryover\'s. I see nothing but opportunity.

Good Luck

[NoCarolinaTony]

Hai!!!

NCT

[stillinger]

TGJB Wrote:
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 We have done things where we gave product to the top
> ten in some handicapping contests, etc.

I would never in a million years win a contest,
but I think this is a very worthwhile prize. Or
something like it. Then again, I feel pretty good
after taking a vacation, so I wouldn\'t let any contest
go uncontested; I would learn something. And we know how
important that is in this our game.
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[lcfjr3]

It has become increasingly difficult to count on a hidden 6-1 or 8-1 shot since Beyer\'s have made the Form and Thorograph has become a more widely used tool.

But many times horses hold their \"hidden\" odds in multi-race wagers. Pick 3\'s and 4\'s don\'t many times don\'t reflect the \'deflation\" that single race pools do.

This may not be the greatest everyday example because multi race wagers are almost always strong vs. parleys on big race days--but the late Pick 4 Saturday is an example;

Kip Deville      8.2/1---Thorograph most likely winner
Ginger Punch     4.5/1---1 of 3 Thorograph contenders
English Channel  3.0/1---obvious and Thorograph contender
Curlin           4.4/1---obvious and Thorograph most likely winner

$1 parley $ 546.48
$1 pick 4 $1506.50

Thorograph solidified my give or take position on Kip Deville, so I thank them for that analysis.

On the second topic of a ROTW contest I would suggest 2 year long contests for 2008;

$1000 buy in year long W/P/S contest with 5/3/1 points awarded each week.  
Winner payment 60/30/10 of pot.

Free contest with same points system open to any registered customer who spent (your cutoff xxx) in 2007; where winner gets free Thorograph for 12 months, place 6 months, show 3 months.

Your only headache is the accounting; hopefully there\'s enough interest and potential publicity to make it worth hiring a guy to manage.

Lcfjr3

[fkach]

>The best plays now are when Beyers are overstated vis a vis TG Figs. <

I agree.

Some of the very best plays come from understanding the methodologies of each figure maker and exploiting the occasional errors and differences of opinion.

Bias, pace, and some other factors are also sources. That kind of info can pay dividends for a long time. If you know a specific race was either better or worse than it looks, it often changes your entire read of a horse\'s form cycle, likely peak, distance and/or surface preferences etc.... for several races. People without that information often interpret things much differently (and incorrectly).