Allday Music

[Silver Charm]

Look at who we are dealing with.

Pletcher, Frankel, Dutrow and Allday. They all think they are bigger than the Federal Gov\'t.

Why is Pletcher splitting his previously Palm Meadows based stables between there and Palm Beach Down this year? Easier to slip by the surveillance. Then again what surveillance. Word has it Frank Stronach doesn\'t even have clockers working full time at Palm Meadows now so why would he employ security.

Trainers are actually phoning in their own works.

Of course who does Stronach employ? Frankel. And Stronach was the first person to elevate Allday to the national stage when he insisted on hiring Pat Byrne and his VET.

This bunch is the Lucky Luciano of racing.

[rosewood]

Follow the money.........

Listen to the blathering bulls--t of Maggi Moss on ATR in her defense of Dutrow who she felt she had to defend against Allday, and you will get the owners view.

She is the great horse lover who wants to rescue every retired or turned out horse
because of her great love of these fine animals and in her defense of Dutrow she says that anything except cobra venom and blocking is ok and none of anyones business. She professes to know of all these  horrible wrongs that are being done to these magnificent animals and then states that it should all be kept to the owners themselves. Damn the betters.

I see she has Asmussen claiming horses for her now .

[miff]

Any owner/trainer NOT using all legal means to win, drugs, steroids,joint tapping et al are fools, soon to go broke racing horses.The outfits that race cold in NY are mostly are on borrowed time or mired in mediocrity for years.

Racing horses is a tough business which is somewhat cruel on the animals no matter who trains them.


Mike

[cubfan0316]

then it needs to change. if everyone is on the up and up it becomes a trai

[cubfan0316]

ners game.

[ditz]

Can someone please tell me what it was that Maggie Moss said in defense of Dutrow,or send the link I can go to to hear it live...

[rosewood]

ditz,

go to At The Races site and I think it will be on Nov. 9 archive in the first hour

[sighthound]

Yeah, her take-home message seemed to be, \"Don\'t air our dirty laundry in public\".

[BitPlayer]

Thanks for posting about this.  It reminds me of the industry reaction to Jeff Mullins\' outburst of honesty a couple of years ago. She\'s entitled to her opinion, but I think it\'s part of the problem not the solution.  The only way this is going to get fixed (and it\'s probably not) is if people in the know start going public with what they know.

For those who are interested and haven\'t heard it, the interview is in the second half of hour one on November 9.

http://www.thoroughbredracingradionetwork.com/option,com_events/task,view_detail/agid,106/year,2007/month,11/day,09/Itemid,35/

[Barry Irwin]

Attention Chuckles the Clown:

My phone number is 859 873 1004
My e-mail address is valorific@aol.com

Contact me and I will meet with you and either Steve Allday and/or Todd Pletcher. I will also have a member of law enforcement and an attorney
at the meeting  in order to monitor your comments.

Then we can find out a) who has integrity, b) who has balls, c) who has an identity and d) what happens to people like you who cannot back up their
accusation.

The ball (so to speak) is in your corner now, pal. Show me what you got!

[Silver Charm]

Barry you are pretty much a standup guy. I will certainly vouch for that to everyone.

However there are two sides of this story. Are the members of law enforcement and legal counsel that you are recommending be present for the sake of defending Allday and Pletcher or prosecuting them.

This would be the hearing of all hearings. Nancy Grace and Greta have their G-7\'s warming up. Would CtC take the stand wearing a  dark hood or would his identity be publically revealed.

I\'m sure you are true to your word that you would be present. I\'m seriously doubtful that Allday and Pletcher would show up, even if you asked. They both have a pretty good gig going now and have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

There is also always the possibility the law enforcement officials you speak of could be forced to use TWO sets of handcuffs instead of ONE...............

[sighthound]

>>However there are two sides of this story. Are the members of law enforcement >>and legal counsel that you are recommending be present for the sake of >>defending Allday and Pletcher or prosecuting them.

This is simple:  Chuckles the Clown has made an internet career out of anonymously accusing Allday and Pletcher of cheating, and of killing horses

What\'s the harm in that?  Well, I\'ve seen others, on other racing boards, repeat the same unsubstantiated crap as they\'ve quoted it from this board.

Going around yapping that a trainer or a vet cheated and killed horses to an audience that includes clients, current and potential?

Chuckles thinks thats okay?  To aggressively try and damage someone\'s reputation without any remotely substantial proof?

With the internet harassment laws being what they are, one would think that Chuckles would realize that he isn\'t as safe and anonymous as he feels hiding behind his keyboard.

Barry has made him an offer to put up.  Let\'s see it, Chuckles.  Either you got it, or you don\'t.   Either you\'re nothing but an internet troll, or you\'re for real.

[sighthound]

>> They don\'t have the integrity to get the ball rolling faster though, but if I had 10 minutes with Plecher or Allday we\'d accelerate the process thats already begun.

Hey, that\'s been arranged for you.  

When will this sitdown take place, Chuck?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Barry, it sounds like you\'ve proposed a quasi-judicial proceeding without the element of a sworn oath or affirmation by the witnesses. (Or in other words the only way George Bush will allow his staff to be questioned by Congress.) Though an attorney would already be in attendance, (I\'d invite Dave Litfin), apparently you think  attorneys and bailiffs are necessary for official atmosphere. The use of attorneys as you\'ve suggested is generally to advise a client against saying something to perjure or incriminate himself in answering a posed question. With no threat of perjury in your proposed session, are you crafting a session that would you allow your \"associates\" to take legal advice in order to dodge tough questions?

Let me take some time to contemplate a way to involve the element of testimony under oath. I have an idea in that regard. It would involve someone other than myself asking the questions, but as of now, its the only way I can currently come up with getting sworn testimony from the witnesses.

In the interim I have a counter proposal. I submit a list of written questions through your graciously provided email and publish the submitted questions here. You provide same to the witnesses and have them answer them in writing and reply back to you with their answers, understanding that those answers will be forwarded to me and published here. That way, I can continue or dispense with my allegations, develop or discontinue them upon the content or lack thereof in their responses, and if they wish, they can still dodge the tough questions without fear of perjury, incrimination, or inconveniencing you, I, defense attorneys or your version of Joliet\'s Sgt. Drew Peterson.

What are the last two words of the National Anthem?

Barry Irwin Wrote:
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> Attention Chuckles the Clown:
>
> My phone number is 859 873 1004
> My e-mail address is valorific@aol.com
>
> Contact me and I will meet with you and either
> Steve Allday and/or Todd Pletcher. I will also
> have a member of law enforcement and an attorney
> at the meeting  in order to monitor your
> comments.
>
> Then we can find out a) who has integrity, b) who
> has balls, c) who has an identity and d) what
> happens to people like you who cannot back up
> their
> accusation.
>
> The ball (so to speak) is in your corner now, pal.
> Show me what you got!

[richiebee]

Chuckles_the_Clown2 Wrote:
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> What are the last two words of the National
> Anthem?
>


Play Ball!