Bore in Bore out

[huck]

Any opinions on BI and BO when it occurs in a horse\'s most recent race. I\'m trying to gauge how negative this might be (if at all) and if one is much different than the other.

[miff]

Huck,

Young, green, lightly raced horses should be given the benefit of doubt for not running straight.Most other horses are probably infirm causing them to try to get off a certain lead or compensating for discomfort,and therefor BI or BO.Neither is any good and have not noted one worse than the other.

There are of course exceptions where horses do it all the time as part of their usual performance with no apparent physical reason for not running straight.

Mike

[Michael D.]

huck Wrote:
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> Any opinions on BI and BO when it occurs in a
> horse\'s most recent race. I\'m trying to gauge how
> negative this might be (if at all) and if one is
> much different than the other.


a BI with a fast closing fraction is ok. more a matter of balance than exhaustion.

a BO with a slow closing fraction is not what I like to see. I usually don\'t like the horse stretching out, and rarely like the horse coming back on less than 4 weeks rest.

[TGJB]

Just for the heck of it, go through any set of sheets for a day, look for all the past bo or bi, and see what percentage of the time they run well next time. An extremely high percentage run poorly next time out-- which is why the guy who is probably the top pro player has a hard and fast rule about never playing any horse coming off a bi or bo.

[huck]

That\'s what I was thinking. I looked through many sheets this week and didn\'t find any that won. I did find a decent amount that finished ITM, which made me question my sample size. But I have just started to really reduce a horse\'s chances in these case\'s. I never really paid attention to this before, then after seeing it mentioned on ROTW I have begun to use it and found it very good info. How do you decide whether or not to give a horse BI or BO? Thanks

[Michael D.]

TGJB Wrote:
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> Just for the heck of it, go through any set of
> sheets for a day, look for all the past bo or bi,
> and see what percentage of the time they run well
> next time. An extremely high percentage run poorly
> next time out-- which is why the guy who is
> probably the top pro player has a hard and fast
> rule about never playing any horse coming off a bi
> or bo.


hi Jerry,

took a quick look at the BC.

bi\'s - 14 went back next out, 9 went forward. the average move was about \'3\' points both ways. bo\'s - 11 went back next out, 11 went forward. average about \'3\' for the backwards, \'2.5\' for the forwards. I think there were two with both, and I think they both backed up next out.

[high roller]

my only knock against this designation is that thoro sometimes gives the bi bo to 2 yr olds who are running green.

[JimP]

So what do you conclude from that small sample? Looks like no correlation to me.

[Michael D.]

JimP Wrote:
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> So what do you conclude from that small sample?
> Looks like no correlation to me.


I think the sample is too small to reach any conclusions.

I still prefer a blank space to a bo or bi (with the bi exception I mentioned).

just took a quick look at a single set as Jerry advised.

[JimP]

Looks like a subject that could be addressed within the context of the ThoroPatterns. Would be interesting to see the results from a larger sample and perhaps correlated to various patterns and other conditions that existed at the point that the bi or bo was recorded.

[P-Dub]

No problem, we\'ll get right on it.