Curlin Who?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

I was actually talking about the breeding of Asiatic Boy and I really only study it back 3 generations and note the roots of the fourth, beyond that it\'s interesting, but a little less likely ancient lighting in a bottle is gonna strike again. Others say the whole breeding angle is hogwash. I think it has its place, you just have to know when to use it.

On another note, slow is slow unless you\'re factoring Poly. But Slow early on Poly is as much as a figure deflater as Slow early on Dirt and you can\'t run real fast late to make up for too slow early. Pyro finished like a horse with potential, but he ran a slow number and you can\'t hand him his most honestly made figure just because he won by 3 and had earned a fast number before. It doesn\'t work like that.

The filly would have kicked his ass.



marcus Wrote:
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> Fractional time\'s in the Risen Star may also imo
> have been the result of a slow playing surface for
> that race and in \"theory\" , horses likely would
> have otherwise been more strung out thusly
> rendering Pyro\'s overland route unnecessary .  
>
> After following Chucks query all the way back , i
> did see his point about proximate\"old blood\" lines
> for Grasshopper but what distances and type of
> tracks did they have back then ( at Stonehinge
> Downs ) ...

[Rick B.]

I bought the Rags once -- is that why they were perforated?

[fkach]

>The filly would have kicked his ass. <

If Pyro raced against the filly, she would have set a faster pace than Pyro faced in the Risen Star. So IMO Pyro\'s final time would have been faster because it\'s likely he would have been dragged into faster more efficient fractions early also. It\'s hard to measure how much faster, but IMHO Pyro is the better horse (though that is one fast filly and she is learning to relax a little).

[EJXD2]

fkach Wrote:
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> >The filly would have kicked his ass. <
>
> If Pyro raced against the filly, she would have
> set a faster pace than Pyro faced in the Risen
> Star. So IMO Pyro\'s final time would have been
> faster because it\'s likely he would have been
> dragged into faster more efficient fractions early
> also. It\'s hard to measure how much faster, but
> IMHO Pyro is the better horse (though that is one
> fast filly and she is learning to relax a little).
>
To paraphrase Steve Crist, there\'s no way of knowing what kind of fractions Pyro needs to be able to uncork that kind of rally. Closers look better in a fast pace scenario because the front runners are backing up as much as the closers are going forward. If Pyro had to chase faster fractions he might not have had enough in the tank to come home as quickly as he did.

That said, I\'m taking Indian Blessing in a match race but Pyro in a full field of stakes quality horses.

[marcus]

thanks ctc2 - incidently asiatic boy\'s sheet does have the fast nad al sheba number but it dosen\'t indicate that soundness is there ...

[fkach]

>To paraphrase Steve Crist, there\'s no way of knowing what kind of fractions Pyro needs to be able to uncork that kind of rally. Closers look better in a fast pace scenario because the front runners are backing up as much as the closers are going forward. If Pyro had to chase faster fractions he might not have had enough in the tank to come home as quickly as he did. <

I think it\'s almost certain that if the pace was faster Pyro wouldn\'t have come home as fast, but I think it\'s equally certain the fractions he ran in the Risen Star were far from opitimal if the goal was to produce the fastest possible final time.