Belmont Day Post Mortemization

[richiebee]

The Guru, Jerry Brown, has reason to be quite satisfied today, seeing that 2
historic bids came to an end yesterday, one in Washington DC and one in Elmont,
NY.

I usually can come up with a snappy quote for a situation, but I can not seem
to here so I will have to use my own words.

Big Brown was anointed as one of Racing\'s greats without having to face
adversity. When adversity presented itself (Heat? A deeper track than BB may
have liked? Desormeaux yanking on the reins early in the race?)BB proved to be
merely mortal and then some.

Will be interested to see if this colt runs again and if so where. I would have
to assume that he will be getting his steroids on the fifteenth of this month
if he is going to stay in training.

[miff]

Bee,

The track was nice and tight and the weather was the same for all the horses.BB handled the pre-race and warm up with out sweating a bead(little kidney sweat).Something caused that performance and they may or may not find out.BB may be heading to New Bolton Medical.

The winner was the anti everything.Washed out badly going to the gate, slow going into the race, short rest off paired up poorly spaced tops and unable to beat allowance types 21 days ago, eligible for NW1X.He did catch a track which was kind to speed for the most part.

Slowest Belmont in recent years, on a pretty fast surface.The time of 2.29.65 is pathetic and the last 6f in 1.16.4 confirms just how common the 3yr old TC particiapnts were,except for BB and 8 Belles.


Mike

[alm]

Here\'s an honest question.

How much of a factor are steroids in helping a horse avoid regression?  I am sure their use is not totally responsible, but they promote strength and strength would seem to make a difference.

My vet theorizes it takes 4 - 6 weeks use of steroids to have a real effect on a horse.

If Dutrow was being honest about taking BB off steroids following the Derby...5 weeks...was that enough to make the horse\'s regression, which Thorograph definitively predicted, serious to the extent it appeared?

[girly]

TGJB really did an outstanding job this time on the ROTW if you look at it objectively.

[miff]

\"Big Brown also has legally been injected with steroids in the past, but, according to Dutrow, he had not had his monthly dose since mid-April, before the Triple Crown began.

Bramlage doubted that Big Brown was affected by not using steroids.

\"It\'s not that kind of situation,\" Bramlage said. \"Anabolic steroids keep them eating and happy and aggressive, which he was all week.\"

[Michael D.]

miff Wrote:
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> Bee,
>
> The track was nice and tight and the weather was
> the same for all the horses.BB handled the
> pre-race and warm up with out sweating a
> bead(little kidney sweat).Something caused that
> performance and they may or may not find out.BB
> may be heading to New Bolton Medical.
>
> The winner was the anti everything.Washed out
> badly going to the gate, slow going into the race,
> short rest off paired up poorly spaced tops and
> unable to beat allowance types 21 days ago,
> eligible for NW1X.He did catch a track which was
> kind to speed for the most part.
>
> Slowest Belmont in recent years, on a pretty fast
> surface.The time of 2.29.65 is pathetic and the
> last 6f in 1.16.4 confirms just how common the 3yr
> old TC particiapnts were,except for BB and 8
> Belles.
>
>
> Mike


a horrible Belmont. I didn\'t like the Preakness performances either.

as for Da Tara, I hated his line, but he is a well bred colt. his 2nd dam, Kaylem Ho, produced 15 winners, 9 of more than 100k. I got on DoC early because of the same mare (his 3rd). with all the recent attention given to Better Than Honour, it\'s time to recognize Kaylem Ho, one of the truly great broodmares.

[rezlegal]

Since I am one of the many horseplayers who believe Dutrow (among others) is not a good guy and really bad for the sport, the question no one has asked is why he chose to take the horse off steroids and why he chose to make the announcement. There are several posssibilities that come to mind. 1. He tought the horse (and the trainer) could win without; or 2. there were other (undetectable) miracles of modern science at his disposal. I was perhaps the only attendee yesterday in the Belmont clubhouse yesterday who came out against Big Brown. Kudos to Jerry for nailing this possibility long before yesterday. It would not surprise me if Big Brown never won a grade I again.

[rosewood]

Alm,

Dutrow and HONEST in the same sentence ?

Wonder if Bennie the Bull missed his shot ?

If BB didn\'t get juiced  since his April 15 appointment; that would be about 7 1/2 weeks.

Top three $ earners:
Curlin
Big Brown
Bennie the Bull

As Miff pointed out both Curlin and Big Brown were fast young colts even when Pat and Helen had them.

Take a look at the PP\'s of St. Liam before he was transfered to the trainer with the deep bedding and mints.....

[rosewood]

Drug tests are like locks on a gate; they don\'t keep the crooks out..

Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test.

[JR]

Forget Big Brown. Where were the others? The second slowest of 9 horses going into the race wins. Don\'t bother trying to rationalize this result using sheet methodology. It\'s pedigree.

[JR]

And if you bet it \"objectively\" it\'s time to take out the trash. Sorry but this time JB can only take credit for choosing the loser and they don\'t offer that bet.

[rosewood]

JR

Yeah they did.  JB won that supper at Carmines...........

[girly]

He had the 3 super horses nailed and called out BB a long time ago. IMHO this is one of those situations that can\'t be fully explained by the sheets/jockey/trainer but also that something about a living creature -that unknown quantity that makes the sport so fascinating in the first place.
  Given all the information at hand, I think TGJB\'s analysis was brilliant.

[smalltimer]

girly,
I doubt that JB thinks his Belmont analysis was brilliant.

[miff]

Ivarone speaks:

\"He said Big Brown’s throat was examined with an endoscope, and that no blood or mucus was found. He theorized that Big Brown might not have cared for the loose, deep track on the hot, sweltering afternoon. Iavarone also said Big Brown had a loose shoe rear left.\"



...this guys got some suckers putting up $100 million and does not even know that the track was anything but \"loose, deep.Wonder why I enquired if one could \"short\" this IEAH fund.

Incidentally,since when does BB need a particular type surface to run well.


Mike