Holding Beyer's Feet to the Fire/ Beyer Beware

[miff]

Iron,

Over many years, I have fooled with comparative scales for TG/Rags/Beyer.For quite some time the relationship of all 3 fig makers was pretty consistent.Presently, there are far too many differences for my unsophisticated translation table to be considered effective. I prefer not to post it. It\'s my personal take which may differ dramatically from others.

Re Beyer, I saw your comments and do not agree that anyone can evaluate/make performance figs BETTER than Mark Hopkins(beyer speed figs).I am very familiar with TG and Beyer and consider them equal quality and the gold standard.The formulas are different as far as weight and ground loss, the rest pretty equal.If you heard Hopkins take on making figs, it makes perfect sense as does Jerrys take on his formula.I have found RAGS to be too far out there on too many occasions and yet they are held in high esteem by their followers.


Re the Beyer for Commentator 120, I think it\'s not even close, driven off a very changing track and a possible comparison to the Go For Wand route which was painfully slow paced and slow overall. The track was fooled with and there was some weather. In my view, far too much creative license was taken to arrive at that figure.

Re BB\'s Beyer figs, I must admit to thinking they are faster on TG due to ground loss. That was not the fastest Derby ever run in my view, it was the fastest performance figure,there is a very subtle difference between the two.I believe the fastest race BB ever ran was in the Fla Derby, by far.

Mike

[fkach]

She was my big play for the day Saturday. I didn\'t read Crists\'s blog, but I can\'t see how anyone that knows anything about turf racing could toss that horse. I could see not making her the most likely winner etc... But there was so much to like about her and so many question marks about some of the reputation horses, I thought that race was like taking candy from a baby.

[Flighted Iron]

Miff,

  From closely observing one the most astute horse manager/trainer/handicapper/
gambler/percentage player...what has rubbed off was,follow what the best uses.
Currently he pays for TG and regarding his business:He prefers to collect rather
than pay.He was winning races for quite some time before the figure makers made
their big splash and so while I don\'t hold TG in the same esteem as say Newton\'s formulas,it is the best product going imho.

   Yes, the Fla derby was visually quite impressive.Cannot comment on which I
thought was faster.Unfortunately I didn\'t read all the charts from from both days.
Also wind direction,velocity,temp and humidity are unknown to me.

   Respectfully,
    Flighted iron

[miff]

Iron,

Not surprised. On the subject of visually impressive performances, it\'s helps to have a strong handle on what you are looking at.

Mike

[marcus]

right - and trying to figure out what kind of effort a horse might be sitting on next time out after a \"pace\" designation race , is potentially equally confounding imo - of course many other factors must be weighed as well ...

[alm]

I think it was Crist who made those comments, not Richiebee...apparently some of the people on this site had the race pretty well scoped ahead of time, but Crist was locked on to reputations of the runners, not their recent form.