could someone remind me that Jan Rushton is an incompetant

[Boscar Obarra]

Sometimes I forget.

[Boscar Obarra]

Speaking of stupid, is there some good reason that 8th race winner was let off at over 20-1 as the only legit speed in the race and possessing strong back pace lines?  So she beat \'cheaper\' last.

  I\'m thinking I\'ve once again overrated the handicapping prowess of  New York players. Bad sheet #\'s or something? I didn\'t see them.

[basket777]

Wowwas that a nice one.

I keyed in the double and tri

what did you have on em?

200 wp also

[TGJB]

Having worked with Jan, she is anything but incompetent. You try doing her job sometime.

Watch the people doing that job at other tracks, you want to see weak.

[Boscar Obarra]

I find that over time, her commentary will cost you money.  Most of the patter is worth nothing and can\'t be monetized. Lots of breeding stuff that will have you using 9 of 10 starters.

   In the stake the other day she got all worked up over the winning shipper supposedly \'walking short\'.

  Scored.

 
  I didn\'t say the job was easy, but  I\'ve heard others that do it much better. Caton Bredar an example from the past. I\'m not sure she\'s still in action.

   I listen to Rushton because she MIGHT have some info, but filtering out the bad calls and distractions is more work than the occasional
gem is worth. (I won\'t even mention the hats.)

 If anyone else thinks I\'m off base here, I\'ll be happy to entertain the reasons.

[miff]

Jan may not be that articulate but she has a good racing eye and often gives some good insight. Her job is tough when she is trying to track down 6-7 trainers in a few minutes to ask for info.Today she pointed out that Cagey Girl and Yield Bogey were extremely wild and uncomfortable being saddled,semi- automatic tosses, both won.Sometimes things happen at the track that defy sharp eyes and good knowledge.

Jan incompetent, not even close, she probably knows more about looking at horses than 99% of the people who look at them for clues.


Mike

P.S. I would not bet 5cents on any horse walking short nor would anyone with an informed racing eye.

[TGJB]

Both Caton and Jan worked with me on Post Time, Jan was just starting out, and Caton has always been great. When you find someone beside Jan who tells the public that a horse has just had a throat operation-- the single most significant piece of inside information you can have-- let me know. Her info on first timers is not perfect, but it\'s also pretty good.

Try to come up with comments on half the field every race. Seriously, try it yourself, for one entire card.

Then try it with one of those hats on.

By the way, she has a degree in animal medicine from a pretty good ACC school.

[Boscar Obarra]

I probably should have said that listening to her observations will put you off many a winner that you otherwise might have liked, and not save you from a loser often enough.

  You decide what that should be called.

[Boscar Obarra]

I agree 100%.   But you\'d think Jan would have figured out by now what means something IN REALITY and what doesn\'t.

 If you had a friend in your ear putting the knock on so many winners , you\'d kick him in the butt.

[firmturf]

She seems to know when a horse is \"hot\" pre-race better than most. Her comments on lathered up horses in the paddock and the throat operation puts her above the rest.

I of course play at a track where its over a hundred degrees a lot and people say \"he\'s sweating\". Great, thanks....I\'m sweating....

[Josephus]

Compared to what most of the other ladies at other tracks do, I think she is the most valuable to the bettor.  I disregard what she says about a horse\'s appearance or stuff that you can see in the DRF or in TG, however I do pay close attention to what she says about what the TRAINERS have told her.

[mlnolan00]

She was an exercise rider for Shug.  What else do you need to know to give her any street cred?  You try and do her job sometime (in a crazy hat I might add!).

[TGJB]

An exercise rider is something of an understatement. Jan was the go-to exercise rider for every single one of the top horses (many Eclipse winners) that Shug had in the early nineties, give or take a couple of years.

[Boscar Obarra]

With all due respect , none of this supposed expertise has anything to do with making pre race observations as they relate to the ACTUAL RESULTS of races. It\'s not a horse show.

  If some minor washiness, paddock antics, \'beautifulness\' or any of the other common observations that are made, had anything to do with winning, then I assume Jerry would be keeping track of it in the same way he keeps track of all the other minutiae.

  I\'ve been around a long time , and much of what passes for significant  observation is just so much noise and worth nothing at the windows.

[NoCarolinaTony]

Lets put it this way, This one was won on pace. The sheets numbers were slower than many in the field. seems liek the turf is firming up finally and speed may be hanging on with the jocks letting races go like Keeneland early Poly races.

Just one mans observations. two of last three were won W2W.

NCT

PS Lets leave Jan alone. She is clearly a NYRA icon now. She is actually not all that bad and certainly better than lets say Mike Battaglia at KEE. At least more pleasing to ones eyesight.