GP Track Speed and Bridgejumpers

[Silver Charm]

The jumpers are in on this Gilcrist turfer.

What is up with the dirt track speed nine flat in the last after running much much slower in prior

[Silver Charm]

Beyer had the Dunkirk maiden win fairly turtle like,a 77. This means the Matz maiden winner earlier was snail like.

Can not blame anyone for not adjusting anything on the day because the maiden races were filled with firsters so what would be the basis for any adjustment. However the track suddenly got really quick by the time the 3YO Sprint came up.

How did TG see it?

[Silver Charm]

I thought this was a legitimate question when I raised it and now when I see this story it comes up again. Beyer is focusing on Dutrow and the moveup but it is not exactly like the Wolfson horse was beaten 10+ lengths. He was right there the whole way also so he ran a 115 or so. I do not believe it.  

http://www.drf.com/news/article/101289.html

This is another Chilukki number for Beyer and Co. I am supposed to believe both of these horse ran as fast as Commentator did down here last year.

Are people being so tight lipped about a response because the wanna be buyers are standing in a long line trying to buy this FREAK. No these two FREAKS.

I told you there was a Curlin on the card that day. No two Curlins on the card.

[ajkreider]

The move-up from the winner is suspicious, but not the placed horse.  You Luckie Mann ran a 107 at Calder in the fall, and got a 111 in the Sprint.  A 4 point pop isn\'t quite the 36 point bump from the winner.

Wolfson may be the same kind of \"miracle worker\" as Dutrow, but at least his horse has a done it before.

[ajkreider]

It\'s also worth noting that in You Luckie Mann\'s other start this month, he was again second, beaten soundly by Notonthesamepage.  

So, he\'s run second to the two best beyers posted by 3-year olds this year, and has one of the best beyers of a 2-year old last year.

Curlin he may not be, but it\'s clear that the horse has some talent.

[Silver Charm]

Emerson, Lake and Palmer recorded the following Beyers:

84,79,79,107. Only a 23 point jump. But he is two year old see big improvements are not unusual. But a 107 in Oct at 2 now justifys a 115 in Jan at 3.

What is unusual is other than Andy Beyer there is all of this silence. Here is a juicy story about Tracks Speeds, Drugs, Moveups, Super Trainers and all of the Big Figure Speed Boys are silent.

Nobody here is talking. The Ragozin board is a ghost town, as always. Good to see Andy Beyer isn\'t backing down........

[miff]

Not atypical for someone without all the facts who also made a kinda absurd figure.The race was very fast for the day,only one other 6f race for older fillies and mares.Two other races carded at 7f race were for 3yr old maidens, most slow going in.This will probably get a big negative TG fig unless the track changed speeds.

Beyer remarked that this horse ran faster than stake OLDER fillies and mares. He failed to mention that they were not that fast going in and none were close to You luckie Man, fig wise.Wonder why he did not question how this horse was close up in 44.4 and he had never shown that kind of early gas.Thats my question.

This Ones For Phil was privately purchased for a modest 6 figs from Kathleen O\'Connell who does not do much to help her horses, supposedly. Tricky immediately remarked that the horse was a bit tucked up, walked wide and appeared to be slightly off behind, nothing major. He thought he could overcome that stuff and told Paul Pompa so.He\'s a gelding by the way and Pauls a seller for the right price.

The purchase was made some 6 weeks ago and this horse had a total makeover especially feet and back.He gained weight, had his angle adjusted, had his back worked on,and was lightly trained between stiff breezes.Mike Welch, DRF, actually liked this horse and picked him in his analysis.Off the TG sheets, the horse looked impossible to me.

If This Ones For Phil does NOT come back positive for illegal medication,then the Great Tricky does it again.Anyhow, just another move up by Tricky without any real explanation, I guess.

Mike

[Wrongly]

Dutrow wins at a shockingly high 39% and ITM 57% with horse making their first start for his barn.  Things that make you want to say mmm.

This is from Jay Privman, \"When Richard Dutrow was asked to explain This Ones for Phil\'s sudden improvement (117 Beyer from his previous 81 Beyer), Dutrow said one of the answers could be found in the little black bag sitting just outside the tack room. He then reached into his bag and pulled out . . . his training chart.\"

His training chart!  Yea, that\'s the ticket.

[TGJB]

For the record, Alan put the horse up in the analysis and made it his radio play, I bet him myself and Roger played him in the contest.

None of which is meant to say we expected a jump-up that big, if Andy is close to right-- I haven\'t done the day yet.

Kudos to Andy for raising the issue, I sent the piece to a couple of industry people I\'ve been working on the drug problem with. Last paragraph is great.

You will be hearing from me, not on this individual move-up, but on the whole drug issue, in the next few months. Either tracks are going to take action on their own, or we\'re going to make them.

[Silver Charm]

Keep us all \"Posted\"

No Pun Intended

Thanks

[TGJB]

Trust me, when it hits the fan you guys will be the first to know. And I\'m going to need the help of all of you and everyone you know who bets horses.

The good news is that there have been independent developments that will make this a lot easier. Should be an announcement about that in a month or two.

[Boscar Obarra]

You know, I don\'t think its fair to second guess the Racing Authorities or these trainers.

 My personal litmus test is , you have to perform some unexplainable  miracle at least 856 times before it\'s subject to hard questioning.

 That makes it fair to all, and gives them some time to build a nice nest egg. too

 

 Just watched this replay. Not only did he blow them away, but he was under a hammerlock till the lane.  Nice stuff.

[Silver Charm]

Give Mike Welsh his due for going to some of the accused and letting them give a reasonable explanation or at least an opportunity. But some of these guys are like taking the word of \"Sammy the Bull\".

http://www.drf.com/news/article/101362.html

Dutrow and Wolfson have had dozens of suspensions and bans. Wolfson at Calder where nobody gets suspended, except him.

Walder was thrown off the track at Monmouth last summer or so. And after a bad meet of losing claims to the Gil/Shuman combo at Gulf a few years ago was keying their car doors and letting air out of car tires on the back stretch.

PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THEIR CRAP.

[miff]

The Kool Aid drinkers ain\'t gonna like that DRF article.

[Cartman]

I\'m looking forward to some of those horses coming back. Most of the field was made up of synthetic specialists and CA shippers that often don\'t run well on the ship to Florida. I have a feeling that race was not as strong as it looks. I want to bet against the top few next out and bet on some of the horses that got got buried if they return to synthetic.