WHY SHEET NUMBERS ARE A FRAUD

[number5858]

I disagree with you. I find the Thorograph numbers to be better than any others out there. The problem is that they cant determine barn intent or racing luck. Bobble at the start, have the jockey drop the whip, lose a shoe, etc. They can all kill you. That\'s why I don\'t go around betting horses at low odds. Look at Runforthedoe yesterday at SA. I knew that horse was a lot more live than the 38-1 or so that he went off at. As even Andy Beyer used to say, the figure can\'t determine larcenous intent on the part of the barn. I think we can all come up with examples of where a horse\'s performance was manipulated until the price was right, then the barn would bet. There was a trainer at Saratoga who used to do this every year. She always had some middle of the road looking allowance class grass horse primed and ready on a big day like Travers day in a stakes race. Thorograph numbers are great, but you have to go by more than just the numbers.

[P-Dub]

TGJB,

I had one of my best Big Cap weekends ever with your product. We hit the baby PK 6 Friday, followed by many winners on Saturday and Sunday. The turf races were spectacular.

Saturday:

3rd-Van Brit  20.40
6th-Apopletic 27.60
9th-Gio POnti 12.80
10th-Einstein 12.00 (dirt race, but a clear choice on TG)

Sunday:
2nd- Power Blitz 7.80
6th- Gorgeous Goose  8.60
8th April Pride $9.00

$20 win parlay returned over $1100.

All of these turf winners were very gettable. Nice dirt winners too with the 5th Sunday, Solo Performance, paying a nice 12 bucks. We also made a 3 horse WP round robin on the 2nd, 5th, and 6th races that returned us over $2000. What a thrilling finish to that race.

Made for a nice flight home.

I don\'t know how you make your turf numbers, and I don\'t care. They are simply amazing.

Maybe if High Roller wasn\'t so \"high\" when he went to the track, he would do better. Is there anybody out there that played SA this weekend who didn\'t score with TG??

[HP]

Wow.  That\'s one way to beat the Synth.  Congrats...  HP

[Caradoc]

P-Dub: I agree with you about the turf races.  Saturday at Santa Anita was a unique opportunity, considering the quality and sizes of the fields.  Hopefully the card on April 4th will be as good.  I too liked Apoplectic, but not as much as the runner-up, both of whom were off long layoffs.  Nonetheless, the $941 exacta more than made my weekend.  

One of the best features about the TG sheets are the trainer profiles.  In the Van Brit race, Eduardo Inda stretched out a South American import named Percia Fina after one sprint try.  Her effort wasn\'t bad in that sprint race -- she ran a number that would have been competitive in the race Saturday, but the point is that Inda is truly a route trainer: there is a huge discrepancy between his sprint and route stats. So, I figured PF would run really well Saturday, and she did, just missing at 25-1.  I didn\'t cash.  That was due to my own stupidity by not going deep enough to include Van Brit in the exotics, but that had nothing to do with the quality of the turf numbers or the trainer profiles.

[P-Dub]

Excellent point about the profiles in addition to the numbers.

I had that exacta for a buck, for the reasons you stated...the profiles and the strength of that sprint number.

HP,
Thats a good one, made me chuckle.  I\'ve made create a cards with just turf races because the information is so strong.

The synthetics aren\'t bad to handicap as long asmost of the runners are coming from them or have raced over them. The #5 in the 7th yesterday ran 1 time with the fastest figure in the race.  I believe a 11.75.  He went off at 18-1, goes to the front,  and gets run down by a nice first timer. $84 for the $1 exacta. I don \'t mind the synthetics at all as long as most of the horses come from them.