Pamplemousse

[Silver Charm]

Doesn\'t he toy with this bunch if he fires anything close to the last.

His last two RAW TIMES are so superior to POTM it isn\'t even close.

That being said why is the conditioner putting so much work into him? The Derby isn\'t for another four weeks

[covelj70]

I think Pamplemousse is far from a lock on Sat.  Chocolate Candy is just as fast coming in and is bred much better for the 1 1/8 than the grapefruit.

Pamplemousse could win but Choc Candy is just as likely and will be a much better price.

The one thing for sure is to toss out Pioneer of the Nile.  His sheet makes him look like a total fraud as one of the Derby favs.  He\'s too slow and he hasn\'t developed at all from his two year old top.  Sheets give him no shot Sat as he\'s slower to begin with and he will always lose ground on the turn with his running style in big fields.  He\'s a toss out.

Take the Points would be live here but Pletcher planning to scratch to run in Blue Grass next week where he should be very live against lesser.

[Michael D.]

covelj70 Wrote:
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> I think Pamplemousse is far from a lock on Sat.
> Chocolate Candy is just as fast coming in and is
> bred much better for the 1 1/8 than the
> grapefruit.
>
> Pamplemousse could win but Choc Candy is just as
> likely and will be a much better price.
>
> The one thing for sure is to toss out Pioneer of
> the Nile.  His sheet makes him look like a total
> fraud as one of the Derby favs.  He\'s too slow and
> he hasn\'t developed at all from his two year old
> top.  Sheets give him no shot Sat as he\'s slower
> to begin with and he will always lose ground on
> the turn with his running style in big fields.
> He\'s a toss out.


You\'re not alone in that view. In the futures betting, The Pamp is 8-1, Choc Candy is 18-1, and Pioneer is 22-1. I hate the race. CC does look interesting, but I can\'t take the lowish odds over the pro-ride. Don\'t like the Wood either. Might bet the turf horse at 50-1. And I can\'t come up with strong plays in the Ill Derby or Ashland either, though I\'ll probably bet your pick in the Ashland covelj.

I\'m gonna have to think a bit harder here .....
 

> Take the Points would be live here but Pletcher
> planning to scratch to run in Blue Grass next week
> where he should be very live against lesser.

[congaree1]

Ml is not up yet, but I will be using Gallant Son in the tris, maybe even on top.

[TGJB]

Pletcher has made things more complicated by double entering all over the place. If Take The Points was definitely going at SA that might be ROTW. ETS is off to a nice start at stud with limited opportunity.

[colt]

This is the start of the P6, and is probably the the only race in the sequence that we can truly take a stand, that said, Pioneerof the Nile will be tough to beat. Matter of fact, Z Day with MM magic appears more formidable than The Pamplemousse.

Another race that is very interesting is Race# 7, where Desert Code is clearly the one-to-beat, with Global Hunter, Dixie Chatter, and Mr Napper Tandy rounding-out the list of contenders.

Good Luck to All.

[miff]

Vet Scratched!!

[Silver Charm]

The excessive training here made no sense.

Supposedly running in the BG next week or training up to the Derby. Doubt it.

[Caradoc]

What \"excessive work\"?  If you mean his worktab -- and that is all we have in terms of public information -- it is virtually identical to his worktab coming up to the Sham.

[Silver Charm]

Four works in five weeks after a two point Top with a three year old who has develpped 6 points in the six months. Last work in 34 and four. And now there is a soft tissue problem with a tendon.

Wonder why?

[Caradoc]

Silver: There a few things wrong with your point, which seems to be that Canani poorly trained or overtrained this horse in preparing for the SA Derby.  The first is that the work pattern you recited above as an explanation for the horse\'s problem is the same one that Canani used in preparing him for the Sham.  The horse came into the Sham off virtually a two-point top.  In preparing him for that race, Canani gave him one work a week, and a fast three-furlong blowout.  If that\'s a work pattern that leads to problems, why didn\'t one show up before the Sham?  The second is that it is misleading, at best, to say that the horse has developed six points.  The \"8\" in his first start may not have been an effort at all inasmuch as immediately moved forward off of it, and so did not reflect his development at that point.  The third is that we don\'t know yet really what is wrong with the horse.  Your diagnosis of a soft tissue problem with a tendon is based on . . . what? The examining vet refused to discuss whatever injury he has.  Canani has said nothing.  The owner has said nothing.  Canani’s vet has said nothing.  Fourth, more broadly, if you want to criticize the horsemanship of many trainers, even successful ones, I’m right there with you.  But in Canani, you got the wrong guy.

[Silver Charm]

Your diagnosis of a soft tissue problem with a tendon is based on . . . what?

TVG reported this.

[miff]

This horse has been shopped, with no takers, for at least two months. Probably does not vet out.


From DRF:


Because The Pamplemousse was not scratched by the vet, he is not on the veterinarian\'s list. Instead, he is listed as a stakes scratch, and does not have to work for the vet in order to be eligible to race again.

However, The Pamplemousse will need further evaluation, both Bailey and Solis said.

\"It was a problem I didn\'t want to see progress,\" Bailey said.

Solis said The Pamplemousse would have the tendon scanned on Sunday morning. \"We\'ll compare it to the last time he was scanned, which was before the Sham,\" Solis said. The Pamplemousse won the Sham Stakes on Feb. 28. \"We had to scratch today. We had to do the right thing by the horse. The tendon palpated sound, but it was warm.\"

Bailey is one of two vets who do the exams the morning of races at Santa Anita for the California Horse Racing Board. She said she had done the prerace exam on The Pamplemousse in several of his recent races.

\"I\'m very familiar with the horse,\" she said. \"There was a change.\"

Those associated with The Pamplemousse have acknowledged in the past that he has odd-looking tendons on his front legs.

On Wednesday, Solis II said, \"He has big tendons. He had them when we bought him.\"

[Barry Irwin]

Worst moving animal that can run that I have seen in a long while. Watching a head on view of him will make any horseman cringe. Thank racing\'s lucky star he didn\'t blow his wheel in a race for all to witness.

[miff]

Worst swimmer I have ever seen for a fast horse.