Jerry and Larry...

[PatrickM]

Jerry,

Before the Derby you made mention that the Churchill stewards brought all the trainers in for a meeting on testing. You said one of the trainers became visibly frustrated and was asking a lot of questions.

Earlier this week, you found Friesan Fire\'s quick recovery from some cuts and grabbed quarter and fast workout to be \"interesting\" (not your word, mine). You further stated that Pimlico is using a different lab for testing and were equally curious as to who or why.

So, here it comes: 1) Was it Jones that became visibly frustrated in Kentucky, 2) do you think he\'s \"using\", 3) would you bet FF this weekend to run well?

I know you\'re not the type to kiss and tell and I recognize I\'m asking you to do so. Your thoughts or comments on the issue though would be important not only to those that value your opinion but also in the sense that, IF TRUE REGARDING ANY TRAINER, we as the racing public should be able to make enough noise either though Congress or other channels to have things investigated.

For the record, I had FF in the Derby and will likely bet him again in the Preakness.

Thanks Jerry.

[TGJB]

At this point it\'s all over the industry that Mullins was the one who got upset at the meeting, so I\'m not breaking any news. I\'ll talk about FF in my Preakness comments.

And as far as I can find out, testing rules will be different from CD in meaningful ways at Pimlico.

[Silver Charm]

Better or Worse??

[Silver Charm]

Better or Worse??

Better as in for the Betters

[TGJB]

If the horse you want to bet has been given Clenbuterol on race day, it\'s better for you.

The good news is that the movement to get all this crap cleaned up is gaining momentum, and what CD did seems to be helping quite a bit (as far as I can tell so far), though it is still seriously lacking in transparency. The bad news is that it is probably going to take a year give or take until racing is completely (or close to completely) clean, and some tracks which are hurting financially either can\'t or won\'t be willing to make the necessary changes.

[Silver Charm]

TGJB Wrote:
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> If the horse you want to bet has been given
> Clenbuterol on race day, it\'s better for you.

Well great. And where will this be disclosed in the DRF or Program?

I mean this sounds like a race day medication to me.....

[miff]

TGJB Wrote:
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> If the horse you want to bet has been given
> Clenbuterol on race day, it\'s better for you.

Well great. And where will this be disclosed in the DRF or Program?

I mean this sounds like a race day medication to me.....
 

Silver,


Not permitted on race day. In NY, 96 hours out is permitted.


Mike

[TGJB]

Miff-- it\'s not \"permitted\" on raceday anywhere. The reality is that it is permitted anywhere they test urine instead of blood for Clenbuterol. CD changed labs this year from one that didn\'t have the necessary equipment to blood test to one that does. There are cynics out there who think that information is why Mullins scratched-- that\'s not to say the horse doesn\'t have an ankle, but horses run with things like that every day, as you know.

Anyway, unless there is a dramatic shift in the next 48 hours, Pimlico does not blood test for Clenbuterol. They had to be prevailed upon even to do pre (as opposed to post) race TCO2 testing this weekend, and that\'s just for either the Preakness or just all the graded stakes, not sure. The Jockey Club comittee recommendations specifically say to do it before the race because horses blow off some TCO2 running, and readings are significantly lower aftwerward.

I\'m working on it. But it\'s highly unlikely anything will change by this weekend.

[Beginner]

How would this play out in the case of a horse testing positive for a \"banned\" substance with respect to bettors / payouts?  I presume the results, as in the case of the Derby, take at least a day.  I envision a scenario where a test shows someone \"cheated\" but the tickets have long since been cashed.  What happens?

[mkram]

Jerry - I thought Bute is permitted in California.

[miff]

Clenbuterol is a very different drug than Butazolodin(bute)

[TGJB]

Bute is an anti-inflammatory, Clenbuterol is a broncho-dilator.

[mkram]

Thanks for the clarification.

[mkram]

Notice on the new Equibase entries - in addition to the Lasix identifier there is an A and sometimes an A* - I assume this is for \"adjunct medication\" and whether it is first-time usage.

What is \"adjunct medication?\"

[TGJB]

Secondary bleeder medication.