That's enough of this crap.

[TGJB]

When did this place become a bar at midnight on a Tuesday? Aside from the fact that it has been obvious from the jump you guys are talking different languages (as I made clear waaaaaayyyy back at the start), I have lost count of the factual innacuracies in the Secretariat/GZ and Z/St. T strings. By almost all concerned. And they are all being said with dead certitude.

To deal with the only one that matters-- the only time I was at Dartmouth was to visit my brother, who was going to business school there. The occasion was a Derby party (Affirmed/Alydar) and a Grateful Dead concert (only time I saw them, it sucked. The highlight--not-- was a half hour drum solo). And there was no simulcasting anywhere until the early 90\'s. There were, however, bookmakers.

[moosepalm]

TGJB Wrote:
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> When did this place become a bar at midnight on a
> Tuesday?

OK, I\'ll have what you\'re having, particularly if you\'re coming from a Dead concert.  I didn\'t picture you wearing green, anyway.

Seriously, no simulcasting before the 90\'s?  I don\'t know if this counts, but, I cut my teeth in this game at Finger Lakes in the mid-eighties, when they were showing the Aqueduct Inner Dirt in lieu of their own glorious live meet.  I can\'t imagine any other reason why I would be there in the dead of winter if it didn\'t involve horse racing.

[TGJB]

They may have been showing NY/NY races, but my memory is that simulcasting started in the early 90\'s when I was doing the Post Time show, because I remember discussing it on air.

[moosepalm]

Well, technically what I was viewing wasn\'t simulcasting, since it wasn\'t shown concurrently with their live racing, so your recollection is likely correct.

[SoCalMan2]

moosepalm Wrote:
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> TGJB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When did this place become a bar at midnight on
> a
> > Tuesday?
>
> OK, I\'ll have what you\'re having, particularly if
> you\'re coming from a Dead concert.  I didn\'t
> picture you wearing green, anyway.
>
> Seriously, no simulcasting before the 90\'s?  I
> don\'t know if this counts, but, I cut my teeth in
> this game at Finger Lakes in the mid-eighties,
> when they were showing the Aqueduct Inner Dirt in
> lieu of their own glorious live meet.  I can\'t
> imagine any other reason why I would be there in
> the dead of winter if it didn\'t involve horse
> racing.


before there was what we now call simulcasting, they had someting called inter-track wagering.  That only happened within one state....in Maryland, you could bet Pimlico at Laurel sparing you the trip up to Baltimore if you were in the DC Area....however, the ITW did not start until after Bowie closed, so it must have been in the later 80s.  Simulcasting (i.e. ITW but across state lines) began sometime in the early 90s.

[Dana666]

I remember Atlantic City Racecourse would have a race or two from Hollywood park on a Friday night, and, of course, Monmouth would carry a big stakes race from around the country included in their card with a separate pool, just what you bet on-track. That was back in the mid to late 80\'s, I think. I don\'t remember full card simulcasting with co-mingled pools until around the early 1990\'s.

[Dana666]

I went to one Dead show back in the 80\'s, and I didn\'t really get what all the fuss was about - I didn\'t do any drugs though so that may have been responsible for my underwhelming experience.

[moosepalm]

I know this is a separate issue, but, for the New Yawkuh\'s here, what about OTB?  Did they carry out-of-state tracks before the early 90\'s?  Was there a special papal dispensation for the Derby?  And, bonus question:  who remembers the letter system they used instead of program numbers?

[magicnight]

Good one, Moose. I never went to OTB much in those days but I remember the letter designations in the Daily News. An entry would have been the A1 and the A2, I guess?

I also remember that NYRA was limited as to how many \"specials\" (out of state races) they could show (x many per card, y many per year, I think), and they were included in the on-track program (the little pony jobs, rather than the magazine format). Whoops, here comes another flashback from that \'77 Dead concert ... later ...

[Lost Cause]

moosepalm Wrote:
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> I know this is a separate issue, but, for the New
> Yawkuh\'s here, what about OTB?  Did they carry
> out-of-state tracks before the early 90\'s?  Was
> there a special papal dispensation for the Derby?
> And, bonus question:  who remembers the letter
> system they used instead of program numbers?

I used to always bet the A C E as a flyer in every race.  I can\'t beleive how much I loved racing as a kid.  I would sneak into those OTB\'s and there would be no call or video feed.  Everyone would be staring at the screen after the race closed and when NYCOTB felt like putting up the results that was when you knew if you won or lose.  For a long time after there was no live video feed only the audio call, which everyone could not hear because of the ever present screamer in the otb during the stretch call..

[Lost Cause]

magicnight Wrote:
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> Good one, Moose. I never went to OTB much in those
> days but I remember the letter designations in the
> Daily News. An entry would have been the A1 and
> the A2, I guess?
>
> I also remember that NYRA was limited as to how
> many \"specials\" (out of state races) they could
> show (x many per card, y many per year, I think),
> and they were included in the on-track program
> (the little pony jobs, rather than the magazine
> format). Whoops, here comes another flashback from
> that \'77 Dead concert ... later ...


I think it was A and AA..not sure as it was a long time ago

[alm]

In the beginning at OTB, entries were handled as separate bets...OTB booked the action and its payoffs were not consistent with the home track, entries or no entries.

Anecdotally, Richard Dutrow (the father) used to enter 2 similar horses in a single race in Maryland, get in his car and race up to NYC to place a bet, scratching one of the horses when he got there.  That split the pool and the payoff was always much better at NY OTB than he ever could have gotten in Maryland.

Totally legal, but tricky.  Remind you of anyone?

[P-Dub]

Dana666 Wrote:
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> I went to one Dead show back in the 80\'s, and I
> didn\'t really get what all the fuss was about - I
> didn\'t do any drugs though so that may have been
> responsible for my underwhelming experience.


Being born and raised in No Cal, I have been around \"Deadheads\" forever. They usually have a show on New Year\'s Eve in the Bay Area. Never really got them, went to a show with some buddies who love them.

Still didn\'t get it.

And we smoked a bit. Ahem.

Still didn\'t get it.

Dana you must have been the only one too. I think they arrested people that didn\'t do any drugs at that show.

[richiebee]

JB:

My sincere apologies, Jefe.

[RICH]

Those were the days here in CT, that when the race was over (you never knew) the lady would come out with the results sheet and pin them up, as soon as she opened the office door, the crowd would surge to her, and you would try to block out all sounds so as to not ruin your visit to the board to see if your letter was posted first. It\'s funny how important it was to me to be able to see it myself than have some body yell it out.