"Look him in the eye, and he's counterfeit."

[smalltimer]

I doubt if they\'ll be talking about Quality Road 35 years from now.

[smalltimer]

Quality Road and Secretariat in the same sentence?

[FrankD.]

That commandment has already been written by Mr. Harvey Pack. For over 20 years he rambled on and on about \" never ever bet a horse as the favorite doing something he has not done before. \"

If your subscribing to Harvey Pack, Andy Beyer, Andy Serling or any other babbling idiot on television who call themselves a professional handicapper or non relevant trainers who have never won a race even worth talking about ?

Your in the wrong place here !!!

[alm]

It\'s a comparison of circumstances, pal.  An off race does not make a career.  You\'re a real character...but not a colorful one.

[bellsbendboy]

At some point a \"pattern\" gets trumped because of time off.  In this case QR was off since Memorial Day ( ten weeks) and that is well outside a normal interval.

All in all, I think his race was very good, just not his best. bbb

[JimP]

Quality Road and Secretariat in the same sentence? Of course. As TGJB said, \"It\'s the Thoro-Graph site, for serious students of handicapping. We use performance figures here.\" So Quality Road is superior to Secretariat. Why not use them in the same sentence?

[JimP]

What was Ruffian\'s best figure?

[TGJB]

Not again...

Also, pretty sure the sentence itself did not compare them in ability to begin with.

[moosepalm]

smalltimer Wrote:
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>
> Thought this forum was about horses.  Should I
> have been commenting on this BASEBALL FORUM about
> a former great player who\'s been deceased for 30
> years?  Or maybe I was confused and forgot I was
> on a GOLF FORUM for struggling golfers?


Just when I was thinking about writing some movie reviews, too.  Probably put that idea on hold for a while.

Struggling golfers???  Must have been those guys playing in the Ragozin Open.

As for Quality Road, not sure about anyone looking him in the eye, but I did see Johnny V. turn to his inside and not see anybody, and shortly afterward turn outside to see Blame rolling up on his flank.  Not a criticism, just an observation.  One very good horse beat another very good horse.  That\'s as deep as I get into it until they show up on the TG sheets the next time.

[nyc1347]

bellsbendboy Wrote:
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> At some point a \"pattern\" gets trumped because of
> time off.  In this case QR was off since Memorial
> Day ( ten weeks) and that is well outside a normal
> interval.
>
> All in all, I think his race was very good, just
> not his best. bbb


what do u mean it gets trumped bc of time off?  the rest he needed was bc of such a tremndous effort.  knowing he is at this new level of racing we have to put the pieces together from that top number on.. possibly started with the race before this past one but so far its a backwards/reaction pattern off a career top,, we have to see this last number to verify whats going on.

[miff]

When a horse like QR, gets highly favorable dynamics(very slow half got his caliber) and gets beat, its a poor effort and you can pickle the figure. Maybe he\'s tired or just had a bad day.QR had no excuse and the weight spot he gave was beyond totally mitigated by the highly favorable trip he enjoyed.Horses all meet have been wiring at the  1 1/8 th mile distance to boot.

The guy who trains him and the guy who sits on him some mornings thought he would whistle and were very disappointed despite the bs excuses given publicly.

Mike

[Lost Cause]

moosepalm Wrote:
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> One very good horse beat another very good horse.



This is the best post on this thread..I really don\'t think Blame has gotten enough credit.  This is a very good horse.  He caught a loose on the lead horse in the Stephen Foster last time while going very wide on both turns.  He did it again Saturday.  He is just a very good horse and seemingly getting better.  As far as BC time it\'s gonna be fun watching Big Z and him fighting it out to the wire.

[Rich Curtis]

Miff wrote:

\"Horses all meet have been wiring at the 1 1/8 th mile distance to boot.\"

 How many races have been run at that distance this meet? How many of them were won wire to wire?

[Rick B.]

moosepalm Wrote:
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> One very good horse beat another very good horse.
> That\'s as deep as I get into it until they show up
> on the TG sheets the next time.

Thank you.

This \"looked him in the eye\" stuff is just that, stuff. As in mierda.

[jack72906]

Not enough to call it a bias.