Coupla Questions

[richiebee]

1) Pretty sure I know the answer to this, but the commonly owned/trained Gayego
and Vineyard Haven run uncoupled, right?

Weather permitting, the Breeders Cup Dirt Mile will be run on dirt for the first
time.

Tossing -- Aikenite, Crown of Thorns, Cool Coal Man, Dakota Phone, Hurricane Ike,
Mad Flatter, Mine That Bird, Tropic Storm.

On the $.50 spread ticket, at a price: Theskyhasnolimit (getting good lately,
likes CD).

Contenders/Knocks:

Here Comes Ben: LoPresti stock has moved up incredibly this year; in an interview
he attributed his success to having the best help he\'s ever had.

Gayego: Went negative in two of his dirt races, the 08 Ark Derby and an 09 O/Clm
race at Saratoga. One turn mile should work for him.

Tizway: Plenty of recent negativity, was only beaten 3 lengths by America\'s best
miler 2 back (in receipt of 9 pounds). Carried 115 in two recent stakes tries,
adds lead Saturday.His sire won the BC Classic twice; his dam sire came very
close to winning the BC Sprint in 1990.

Vineyard Haven: 5 straight negative efforts, which resulted in 3 wins, all 3 on
tracks labeled slow or sloppy by DRF. Might find himself hooked on lead with Mad
Flatter. Like Gayego better of the 2 Godolphins.

Conclusion: Looks like a spread race in the horizontals. The Godolphin duo, even
uncoupled, should be the 2 faves. May try to get too cute and toss out VH and Here
Comes Ben, a 7 furlong specialist who will try an extra 1/8th on a track where he
has enjoyed good success.

2) When will the TG NYC Marathon data be available?

[Silver Charm]

Rosie Ruiz saves ground.

Thats all you need to know.

The Godolphin runners should be tough in there.

Give me a good Groom over Good Drugs any day.

[Wrongly]

Richie

Finally someone wants to talk about another race besides the Classic!  

2nd time this race has been on dirt (slop at Mth at 1 70) but first time at a mile.  I think it\'s the race I have to go deep in and want to ask why you\'re tossing Crown of Thorns.  I believe Mandella is 6 for 32 with his BC entries and by TG stats CoT is the most likely horse in the race to run a new top.  Is it strictly the Cali poly thing or how much this horse has progressed?

Cool Coal man also bothers me, don\'t care for the horse but would hate to have him win and bring down my pick 4\'s.  Looks to me as the money race.

[richiebee]

Wrongly Wrote:
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> Richie
>
> Finally someone wants to talk about another race
> besides the Classic!  
>
> 2nd time this race has been on dirt (slop at Mth
> at 1 70) but first time at a mile.  I think it\'s
> the race I have to go deep in and want to ask why
> you\'re tossing Crown of Thorns.  I believe
> Mandella is 6 for 32 with his BC entries and by TG
> stats CoT is the most likely horse in the race to
> run a new top.  Is it strictly the Cali poly thing
> or how much this horse has progressed?

The question is whether his new top would be good enough to win. The 4 straight
close seconds also gives me pause. Totally agree about Mandella (I will be using
his big longshot in the Turf Classic) but COT is a lightly raced 5YO who is NW2X.
 
> Cool Coal man also bothers me, don\'t care for the
> horse but would hate to have him win and bring
> down my pick 4\'s.  Looks to me as the money race.

CCM has an admirable record over 4 campaigns, winning 5 stakes, only one of them
Graded. He was beaten 5 lengths by Tizway at a flat mile in the Kelso at near
equal weight.

[Flighted Iron]

Wrongly,

 Good point.I have a hard time believing the Classic discussion would be so dominating if Z wasn\'t entered.No knock whatsoever against Z.

From the DRF

Rogue Romance, a son of Kentucky Derby winner Smarty Jones, will be a longshot in the Juvenile, in contrast to the Juvenile Turf, where he would have been among the favorites.\"O\'Dowd said several factors weighed into the decision, including the encouragement by Leparoux and McPeek, whom feel he can handle the dirt, and the longer 1 1/16-mile distance of the Juvenile\".

Certainly not a killer on figs,but to take back to last in a graded race and steamroll the field after a dawdling pace considering he broke his maiden in his
previous race on the front end of a legit pace speaks volumes to me.

HAD planned to wager a considerable % of my bankroll on this guy in the juvy turf.

Thoughts regarding the encouraging words from trainer/rider,practical number of points he could move forward and how many points do the top two regress(if any)?

Thanks for any thoughts,
mjs

[Wrongly]

Thanks Richie

Best of Luck next Saturday, for me it just matters what his odds are and I think both could be 10/1 or more.  

Thanks for the response.

[MonmouthGuy]

Good choice.  He and Jaycito, both Runnymede bred horses, will both get the distance and should benefit from the usual juvy speed duel up front. McPeak is going well in the last 90 days and I think this horse has every right to run a top that will put him in the exotic mix.

[Flighted Iron]

Monmouth,

 FWIW, here are the last 6 winners of the juvy(excluding 09 and 08 synth)

07-war pass <6 pts new top
06-street sense <7 pts new top
05-stevie wonderboy <6 pts new top
04-wilko <8 pt new top
03-action this day <7 pts new top
02-vindication  5pt new top

This data doesn\'t substantiate RR per se,but the likelihood of someone in this field leaping forward considerably.What is your analysis of Uncle Mo and Boys?

Thanks,
mjs