Okay, Len

[TGJB]

(For those who may not know, below refers to a post on the Rag board).

1-- I made clear IN THE POST AFTER THE RACE, WHERE I TALKED ABOUT YOUR FIGURES, that I expected Midge to bounce, and my seminar (where I said so) is posted on this site, for everyone to see. So much for your \"dishonest\" crap.

2-- The point I made was about the figures themselves, not the read. I described the figure relationships between the horses, on your figures. Show me one I got wrong, in any of the three examples I talked about, and stick the \"dishonest debate\" crap where the sun don\'t shine.

Len--any time you want to get in an actual public debate about any of this stuff, as opposed to calling me names (i.e. lying about me), you let me know. You are free to post here any time you want, as opposed to your policy of fear of dissent on your board. Meanwhile, I invite everyone (Vito?) to watch our seminar, and look at the full sheets with the figures they ran, when we post them in a few days. Len, you have the ability to do the same, you post races all the time (only AFTER THE FACT of course, ones that make you look good). Why not do so with the BC? Answer-- because I\'m not the one who is being dishonest.

[miff]

JB,

Since you have dialogue with Len at Rags, would like to know how Central City ran an 11 on Rags in his last start(Grade 3 sprint at Kee)

TG and Beyer,adjusted, have Central City running that race a TG 3,whereas a Rags 11 translates to a TG/converted Beyer of TG 7 1/2.Was it an input mistake?

Subsequently on Sat,Central City led every step in the BC turf sprint and finished 2nd and probably paired.Will be interested to see the Rags fig for Central City\'s BC race.

Would appreciate any info from Len or informed Raggie.

Mike

[TGJB]

Miff-- I considered mentioning that one in my original post. One of many I let go. Seriously, I would love to see them post their sheets for the BC.

Meanwhile, on a board where people who hit anything post about it, and congratulate Friedman even for short price winners, there are exactly two guys who have posted about hitting ANY BC races, and one of them said after day one that if he had another day like that one he was done using Ragozin. Which leads me to believe either a) they didn\'t sell any BC sheets online, or b) the guys who bought them got shellacked, to use the president\'s term.

[miff]

JB,

While on the subject of Rags, is it true that they believe that there is no such thing as a dead rail or any biases at all. I remember a Raggie telling me as much but never knew if in fact it is one of their theories/beliefs.

Mike

[jimbo66]

TGJB,

That is extremely misleading information.

You know Chuckles the Clown is on their board and CTC has hit every Derby since 1961 and 90% of the Breeders cup races as well.

[P-Dub]

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> TGJB,
>
> That is extremely misleading information.
>
> You know Chuckles the Clown is on their board and
> CTC has hit every Derby since 1961 and 90% of the
> Breeders cup races as well.


What\'s crazy jimbo is that dude was born in 1962. I wonder how he got the information out?? Aw never mind.

[TGJB]

Miff-- I don\'t know what they believe now, they basically did not when I was there. They are dogmatic to the extreme. Fundamentalists.

[colt]

With a strike rate like that...it\'s a split decision to CTC over NYC....

[richiebee]

Unfortunately with TAP having the hot early Derby favorite, the Rag board will be
subjected to 5 months of the Clown\'s rants about the \"Dead Pletchers\".

[Rick B.]

That\'s just fine. I can stay away from that board for 5 months without breaking a sweat.
 
What will I miss -- 15 posts?

[TGJB]

CTC has been trashing Uncle Mo for 2 months and drooling about betting against him in the Juvenile, we may not see him for a while.

[TGJB]

Mike, by the way, it wasn\'t just Central City. 3 of the top 4 finishers in the Turf Sprint came out of that race at Keeneland that Ragozin had silly slow-- they had Chamberlain Bridge coming off an 8.

Still, the best one is Awesome Feather getting a 19 for winning a stake at Calder (our 7 1/2).

[MonmouthGuy]

After the way Eskendreya, Rule, Super Saver and Mission Impazible fell apart this year, I wouldn\'t be surprised to see Pletcher go straight from the Count Fleet or Hutchenson to the Derby with Mo.  

Ok, I\'d be a little surprised, but I don\'t think you will see him more than twice before the Derby, and only once at 2 turns.

[miff]

JB,

Equally bad was AF\'s last win with a RAGS 11(translated,equals 7 1/2 on TG).On your stuff and Beyer she had like paired 4\'s and out of Calder, my strongest opinion of the weekend.In my interpretation a mini layover factoring in other racing stuff.

AW just sold for $2million plus at the Kee sale. Wish I owned a few nickle bred 2yr old filly\'s with Rag 11\'s!


Mike

[miff]

MO is tentatively scheduled to have only two preps before the derby if everything goes ok. Not a futures guy, but MO should drive up all the other prices.Interesting comment by Ramon Dominguez stating that Boys Of Toscanova lost the \"battle\" with Mo but not the war,wishful thinking?

MO was rumored to be pulling in the mornings but dispelled any rumor by settling off the speed and finishing with authority. Already fast enough to win the derby(TG/BEYER)it becomes a matter of soundness/resiliency. Looks to be a loper that will run all day and has solid physical attributes.

Need a few knocks on MO in the coming months before going after this 800 lb gorilla.Wonder what the odds are that he even makes it to the gate on the first Saturday in may.

Mike