Dead rail horses

[HP]

Let me ask you TGJB...if a horse runs on a dead rail...and then comes back on regular rest...is this a negative?  

What I\'m driving at is...isn\'t it more taxing to run on a dead rail?  May take something out of a horse because even if he/she didn\'t run his/her race...the horse still had to run over the dead rail and maybe that\'s MORE tiring?  Even though it may look like a non-effort number-wise?  

Would it take awhile to snap back to a previous top or might it take awhile to shake off the whole \"dead rail\" thing?  

HP

[TGJB]

Alan brought this up a couple of weeks ago and I started laughing, not because it\'s a stupid question but because that particular discussion has been going on for at least 20 years. I understand the logic of that idea, but all I can say is that it doesn\'t seem to work that way. In fact, an unusually high percentage of dead rail horses come back to run tops, causing at least one guy (Charlie Singer, you out there?) to refer to the dead rail races as conditioners. And he said it 20 years ago.

[HP]

Gee.  As long as it\'s not a stupid question.  Thanks a lot.  HP

[Silver Charm]

I live on the beach and the difference between running on the dry sand and wet packed sand is nite and day.

The dry sand you just wear out and quit running much sooner. Could this be considered a \"conditoner\"? Maybe! Or maybe the other wet packed surface allows you to keep running much harder for a lot longer.

These kinds off Bias\'s provide good winning wagering opportunities like an extreme speed bias that killed a closers chances or falsely pumped up a winner.

Tab the Ronnie Werner sprinter filly he ran in the Breeders Cup Filly and Mare Sprint. She never had a chance down there.

SECRET GYPSY 124 Werner, Ronny W.    
05NOV10CD7 ft 7 1:22:31 STK1000k 11 19¼ 124 X12 1w    
close up, rail, bid 3/8 pl, stead, drifted out bit 1/4 pl, tired

[marcus]

Best I can tell on synthetics is the Dead Rail\'s seem to manifest themselves in a manner that effects a path(or path\'s) off the fence and not necessarily the rail itself - guessing it\'s almost like a track bias issue  . ..

[alm]

Churchill Tomorrow: check out Direct Line (3rd), Lubango (8th) and Taptown (10th)....especially the last if he gets in...made a nice middle move near the rail and flattened down the lane.

[SoCalMan2]

alm Wrote:
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> Churchill Tomorrow: check out Direct Line (3rd),
> Lubango (8th) and Taptown (10th)....especially the
> last if he gets in...made a nice middle move near
> the rail and flattened down the lane.


Taptowne ran on Nov 4 and was given a 1w yet is not given an \"X\".....what to make of that? Any thoughts?

[alm]

I think TG assigns the X to horses that race the entire distance (or nearly the entire distance) on the rail....Taptown broke from the 6 post and angled in after about a quarter mile...my point about the horse had to do with the fact that he didn\'t start to run until that point and then stayed on the rail the rest of the way...he made a strong middle move into contention and then tired badly (or appeared to.)

While he might not have earned the X, he still had the disadvantage of trying to win from the rail. He is also a lightly raced maiden and might get a lot out of the effort, X or no.  We will see.

[MonmouthGuy]

Thanks.  I am curious about Apart in the Clark.  Reviewing his race on BC Friday, he was 1W on the first turn and most of the backstretch before going 4W to circle the field. His final # makes sense, but I am wondering if it is better than it looked.  He looks a little slow for these and may be an underlay, but as we saw with Blame/Stall last year, improving 3YOs are dangerous at this time of year.

Meanwhile, the Cigar Mile is a better race than the BC Dirt Mile.

[weekend warrior]

I\'ve Stable Alerted (like Google a noun becomes a verb) these horses from the post Breeders\' Cup sheets as well. A number of horses came off similar situation in May and returned and won at healthy prices in the spring. On Turkey Day at Hollywood Riveting Reason had dead rail mark from B Cup undercard. Won and paid $2.60. As noted there\'s Girolamo in the Aqu Cigar Mile. Then there\'s War Whoop in Saturday\'s last at Churchill. He certainly won\'t be 1:5. Enjoy the holiday weekend racing.