They're Kidding!!

[TGJB]

I far prefer your making the case to your just being a critic-- it\'s easy to sit on the sidelines and be a sniper, not sticking your neck out (a lot tougher to write the book than write the review in the Wash. Post that takes potshots). And frankly I would like to hear the case about last year, you never told me that (although my memory is not wht it used to be, as you have pointed out).

[miff]

Rich,

\"Going all the way back to the Rachel vote last year\" is not relevant to this year\'s HOTY.It\'s got nothing to do with last year but a voter can, like JB said, vote for any reason they choose.There are actually a couple of NY voters that are going to vote for Z because they feel she was cheated out of HOTY last year without giving some facts to back up their opinions.


It wasn\'t that close last year between Rachel and Z as to what was accomplished on the racetrack.This year it is close but the deserving winner,by accomplishment,is painfully obvious.

Collateral damage? I\'m frightened, but not my place to allow you to rant about Z.

Mike

[hotspringskid]

Wouldn\'t everyone\'s time be better spent handicapping some races? It seems to me that someone must have a wager on who will be HOY, because i\'ve never seen a thread last so long. I think I\'ll just enjoy my autographed pictures of Rachel and Zenyatta I have hanging in my office and look forward to meeting Calvin in
February so he can autograph his 3 KD winners. He\'ll be inducted into the Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame. I hope I don\'t offend him. I heard he has a little bit of a temper, but then he is a rajun cajun. Let\'s go to Aqueduct and get paid on TG\'s longshot pick for the ROTW. Thanks in advance due to my power of positive thinking. Gotta buy the grandkids some Christmas presents.

[Rich Curtis]

It\'s not a case of me not wanting to make the case. It\'s a case of me wanting to make the case too damned much. This gives me pause, and it ought to give you pause to. I\'m not talking about just one Beyer column here. I\'m talking about everything coming out of him over the last couple of years. And there is no way that I can hit Beyer without hitting some \"innocent\" people at the same time.

As for Rachel and last year\'s HOY vote, I did give you my thoughts privately--in that \"High Noon: You Have to Show The ##CK Up\" email I sent you.\" Then we agreed to leave it there.

[TGJB]

You can reply on point without going into everything Beyer has written. The argument here isn\'t really about him, to the degree he\'s involved at all it\'s about his specific arguments on this issue.

[Rich Curtis]

Miff:

 Please do me a favor and try seeing what is there instead of seeing what you expect to see. What, exactly, have I written about this year\'s HOY vote?

 And by the way: I know 12 New Yorkers who are voting against Zenyatta strictly because they don\'t like her dance steps. So there! Ain\'t that grand? Both of us know New Yorkers.

[miff]

\"Please do me a favor and try seeing what is there\"


Rich,

You\'re coming around. Now, Blame beat Z head to head and had faced and beat tougher/faster horses than Z all year(check the pp\'s of both horses, if you don\'t already know that).Their race records for the year are kinda similar.

Let\'s hear your counter, facts only,opinions not relevant.Doubt you know 12 NY voters that are voting against Z.What are their names?


Mike

[Rich Curtis]

JB wrote:

\"You can reply on point without going into everything Beyer has written. The argument here isn\'t really about him, to the degree he\'s involved at all it\'s about his specific arguments on this issue.\"

My point, as I stated, is that Beyer\'s Zenyatta writing has been disgraceful. That is what I wrote. That is what I am prepared to defend--at length. It\'s a broad subject.

Now let me ask you the same question Miff (who is priceless) just ignored:

What, exactly, have I written about this year\'s HOY vote?

[TGJB]

By memory, nothing. That\'s the point.

[miff]

Rich,

Had a recent lobotomy? Precisely what did you mean while dancing around \"what Beyer wrote\" which is basically that Z does not deserve to be HOTY vs Blame.

You\'re getting boring beating around the bush,post your great wisdom about Beyer, Z, HOTY whatever.


Mike

[TGJB]

Enough. I\'ll correct \"libotomy\" before he takes your head off.

[JimP]

\"You are free to do so yourself and make me look irrational.\"

I\'m not trying to make anybody look irrational. In fact my point was just the opposite. But apparently some people are too emotionally involved in this subject to read clearly. My point was that there is more than one rational way to settle an award that is just purely opinion and has no rules defined for the selection. Your defense of Blame as the rightful recipient is very rational. Beyer\'s is very rational. P-Dub\'s support of Zenyatta is very rational. I interjected myself into this exchange only to point out that a) there are no rules for this award, and b) in light of that it\'s disappointing to see so many people take the position that there is one and only one \"rational\" way to make the selection. I personally don\'t have a great need to take sides on which horse should get the award. I have no emotional stake in either one getting it. But I am impressed by the degree of narrow mindedness that both sides evidence regarding the views of the other side. Those were my only points. I\'ve stated them as clearly as as I can. So I will withdraw to other pursuits, but continue to observe the sniping with interest.

[miff]

JB,

What happened to spell check??


Mike