Florida Derby

[jimbo66]

Sekrah,

Not even sure the rain you got last year for Super Saver would help To Honor and Serve.

The Street Sense comment reflects a lack of understanding of multiple variables. First off, the Bluegrass was on a synthetic track that Street Sense didn\'t care for, factoring his figure into that pattern is foolish.  Secondly, while technically the Tampa Bay Derby was not a pair up, they broke the track record and he beat an awfully good horse in Any Given Saturday.  The figure was deflated from the perfect 1w/1w trip that Borel gave him.  Any discernible eye watching that race knew it was an excellent race.

The explosive pattern Street Sense had was no secret to most on this board.  Not that picking a 9-2 winner is great, but I posted 2 weeks before the race why he was clearly sitting on \"go\" and easily the most likely winner.  And believe me, many many agreed.

Comparing Street Sense to To Honor and Serve is like comparing Pierce Brosnan to TGAB..........

[sekrah]

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> Sekrah,
>
> Not even sure the rain you got last year for Super
> Saver would help To Honor and Serve.
>
> The Street Sense comment reflects a lack of
> understanding of multiple variables. First off,
> the Bluegrass was on a synthetic track that Street
> Sense didn\'t care for, factoring his figure into
> that pattern is foolish.  Secondly, while
> technically the Tampa Bay Derby was not a pair up,
> they broke the track record and he beat an awfully
> good horse in Any Given Saturday.  The figure was
> deflated from the perfect 1w/1w trip that Borel
> gave him.  Any discernible eye watching that race
> knew it was an excellent race.
>
> The explosive pattern Street Sense had was no
> secret to most on this board.  Not that picking a
> 9-2 winner is great, but I posted 2 weeks before
> the race why he was clearly sitting on \"go\" and
> easily the most likely winner.  And believe me,
> many many agreed.
>
> Comparing Street Sense to To Honor and Serve is
> like comparing Pierce Brosnan to TGAB..........


#1.. Super Saver wins that derby with that pace set up, Rain, Sleet, Snow, Sunshine..  You\'re wrong every day of the week and twice on the first Saturday of May.

#2. Your \"discernible eye\" completely dismissed last years Derby winner because he couldnt pass Line of David.

[ajkreider]

Super Saver was certainly a good bet to win, but as with many derbies, the winner got a bit lucky. Anything approaching a clean trip and Ice Box wins it.

Pierce Brosnan?  Really?

[Silver Charm]

ajkreider Wrote:
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> Anything approaching a clean trip and Ice Box wins
> it.
>
> Pierce Brosnan?  Really?

Another reason besides the slow final Florida Derby time to be quick to jump on the Dialed In Bandwagon at about 5-1!

Im thinking more Rod Steiger in his later yrs!

[jimbo66]

Ajkreider,

When I was typing that note, I asked my wife for the name of a good looking actor.  She came up with Brosnan.

In hindsight, considering she married me, I have to question my wife\'s judgment as far as men goes.....

[TGAB]

And obviously she was equating me to Pierce Brosnan, cool urbane, suave, I understand, but unfortunately you typed up the comparison confusingly. Ah well, the intent was there--thank your wife for me.

[mjellish]

Well,

I think the proof is in the pudding with Super Saver.  He did exactly...  what after winning the Derby?

Just goes to show you that the Derby, or any race for that matter, is not about picking the best horse.

I say put a fork in THAS.  And for that matter, I didn\'t see anything else in the Florida Derby that impressed me at all.  

I\'m thinking the Derby winner has still yet to run his final prep.  Maybe we\'ll see something this weekend.  Should be fun.

[sekrah]

The proof is in the pudding?  Because Super Saver got hurt in the Derby?   First time a horse got hurt in the Derby apparently.

[covelj70]

MJ,

Good to have you back buddy. It\'s not derby season for me until you weigh in.

Don\'t be bashful.

Hope you are great

[dannyboy135]

jim I am glad to see MJ back as well.  A wealth of handicapping knowledge.  For what it\'s worth I don\'t think the derby winner has run his final prep either and I suspect that he is running this weekend on the west coast and I have a nice Louisiana bred filly by his sire.
stay tuned.
danny

[jbelfior]

Mike:

Or he may be running the following weekend. I\'m interested in what goes on at Oaklawn on the 16th.


Good Luck,
Joe B.

[alydar61]

Been reading here for years, but never posted. Have enjoyed it immensely.

Liked 3 horses before last Sunday. Since Premier Pegasus is now out, the only one I now consider live is Santiva. The other was THAS. Cant take him seriously at this point.

Don\'t know about the move to put Santiva in the BG. We\'ll see.

What will it take to convince the Keeneland Association to rip out the poly and go back to dirt?

[big18741]

At this point Santiva looks like more of an underneath type-maybe clunking up into a tri or Derby super if he draws inside.Just don\'t see any turn of foot there.Looks like he\'ll run on anything-so the Bluegrass makes sense.He jumped up pretty good in the Risen Star so that might explain the eight weeks between races.

Thinking Mott has to call an audible-another race,polytrack training,longer six or seven furlong dirt works,a change in tactics-something.The original plan isn\'t working.He wanted THAS at Remsen form after his last prep and that\'s hardly the case.

[jbelfior]

Agree with all of the posts on THAS. We also need to be careful that we don\'t quickly toss what turns out to be another Bluegrass Cat.


Good Luck,
Joe B.

[P-Dub]

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