Recent Beyers

[jimbo66]

Phil,

would bet that you got the first 3 right.  

For me, Soldat is interesting at a price.  0-2-X, yes, although the top was on slop, so it isn\'t really quite the same (as pointed out by Miff).  But what is most important to me is that other than Mo, isn\'t Soldat the only horse with 2 numbers that make him very competitive here.  He has both the negative 1 and the 1, whereas there are only a couple of horses that even have one 1 (assuming Factor and Mo are out).  If he trains well, he could be at least be interesting.

[sekrah]

Mine That Bird and Giacomo were too slow.

I have a top 6 I am confident in as well, but I think it\'s funny that anyone is throwing out 15 still developing 3 year olds in a 20 horse field.

[miff]

Jim,

Kiaran loved Soldat going in last time(entourage bet 2 tons of very late money) and he was awful.Reportedly ate too much kickback and sulked. Why would the derby kickback be different if he gets a similar inside trip.

Very true about two good figs but I read him over the top, maybe peaking too early in the year.Too long in training at 2?, followed by a rather short break,then a huge slop top as an early 3yr old.

If Soldat wins,we\'re drinking 0 2 X Kool Aids at Favorites until we\'re drunk,notwitstanding it\'s a bogus 0 2 X.

Mike

[FrankD.]

Mike,

I agree with the bogus top in the slop, inside, lone speed going 2 turns at Gulfstream. Talk about the perfect storm !

Love this horse on grass and wish they would keep him there. His exercise rider gave Bobby G. the horse for the With Anticipation. A maiden going in a Grade 3 and Kiaran and crew bombed him that day too ! It was a very good twilight Friday as he won for fun at $ 19.40.

[jimbo66]

Mike and Frank D,

I would agree that Soldat is more likely than not \"over the top\".  If the horse was 5-1, I would play it that way.  But at 15-1, with 2 figures that make him tough in the derby, I have to have him on all multi-race wagers.  (not ready to say he is my key in the derby itself, but I will use him).

[FrankD.]

Jimbo,

I cannot find fault in any opinion\'s on this years mess ! Anything is possible and as a predominately horizontal player as well I can see using 4,5 or even more in the Derby leg of a pick 3 or 4.

My point is merely agreeing with miff about the pattern not being a true 0-2-X. As well as being suspect of big numbers earned by lone speed going 2 turns at Gulfstream. After my post I went back and watched the FOY and he had it real easy that day too.

From a pure Kool Aide point of view both Soldat and Mucho Macho Man would have to be must uses in multi race wagers.

[Silver Charm]

They thought he was used a little in the early part of the FOY to get position but won with something left.....and then he threw the clunker when the word was he was training well.

[drbillym]

Hey Frank, having played many of your selections, if you wanna be live in the pick 3 or 4, you better use all 20!

[FrankD.]

Another point tough to argue with of late !!!

[miff]

Jim,

On paper, Soldat a strong contender on best.Did not mention that his best dirt races were on the lead on favorable speed type tracks. I find it hard to picture him on the lead in the derby or even near it after showing no gas from the fence in last.

If you pick through the pp\'s/figs of any entrant, you find knocks.How JB has it narrowed down to 5-6 is out there,imo.If ever a slug was lurking, this year is it!

Mike