Stiff Job!!!???

[Boscar Obarra]

moosepalm Wrote:
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> > > Pezua can\'t get away with that.
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> > Of course he can -- he\'s been a substandard
> rider
> > for years. If you complain, the response you
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> > get back is, \"Yep -- that\'s a Pezua ride,
> > alright.\"
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> > Don\'t waste your time with a distracting issue
> > that simply won\'t go your way.
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> \"Forget it, Jake.  It\'s Chinatown.\"


 That may be true , but isn\'t that the mechanism by which things go from bad, to worse, to omg how did we let this happen?

[Rick B.]

Boscar Obarra Wrote:
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> > > > Pezua can\'t get away with that.
> > >
> > > Of course he can -- he\'s been a substandard
> > rider
> > > for years. If you complain, the response you
> > might
> > > get back is, \"Yep -- that\'s a Pezua ride,
> > > alright.\"
> > >
> > > Don\'t waste your time with a distracting
> issue
> > > that simply won\'t go your way.
> >
> >
> > \"Forget it, Jake.  It\'s Chinatown.\"
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>  That may be true , but isn\'t that the mechanism
> by which things go from bad, to worse, to omg how
> did we let this happen?

Of course...only, what is the third stage after \"...omg how did we let this happen?\" Because that\'s where we are today.

[FrankD.]

I\'m completely exonerating TGAB from any involvement in this conspiracy.
He did select Saints Alive on the analysis but used good judgement in not selecting a Julio Pezua horse underneath. How could anyone possibly bet this guy ?
He\'s the quintessential shower rider !
For the younger viewers who never heard the term ?
It\'s a hapless bottom of the rung journeyman rider who goes to the track, maybe gets a long shot or 2 to ride and takes his shower and goes home.

[toppled]

I didn\'t play the race, so here are some unbiased thoughts. I saw the race replay, but not the head-on.  I also looked at the horse\'s lifetime PPs on DRF.  
Here\'s a little more devil\'s advocate stuff I thought of, in addition to the possibility the horse doesn\'t like the whip.  
Scenario 1
The 1st thing I notice in the PPs is that the horse was coming off a long layoff.  My thoughts are that maybe Pezua was instructed to try to win, but not abuse the horse, because the trainer has seen a spot in the future. My guess is the trainer is looking at future starter handicaps & starter allowances and needed this $10k race to renew eligibility for them.  There are a lot of those starter alws & hcps in his PPs.  He may also look at this horse as a better router and the 6.5f return race was just a tuneup. So, if Pezua wants to get future mounts from this trainer, he better not go against instructions.  
Scenario 2
Pezua has such little regard for Studart that he thought he could pass the horse any time he pleased in the stretch.
Scenario 3
Pezua is just an incompetent rider and there was no stiff job involved.  Also, the trainer doesn\'t look like anything special either.  He\'s 0 for 10 for the year and unfortunately since the race day is in the past, I can\'t get detailed trainer info from formulator on him until he runs another horse.

[jma11473]

Okay, I\'ll address the devil\'s advocate position:
1) Try to win but not abuse the horse...then why duel for the lead? Why not take back if the plan is just run for exercise? Were the instructions to duel for most of the race, never asking the horse for effort, then slowly fall back during the stretch, then suddenly start feverishly urging the horse so you gain fast at the end and just miss by a neck? Obviously not, but that was the ride the horse received.

2) Pezua shouldn\'t feel obviously superior to any rider.

3) This seems most likely. I\'m not sure if the blatant lack of effort on Pezua\'s part is clear evidence of a stiff job or was SO obvious that it has to just be pure incompetence, because he could have stiffed the horse in any number of less obvious ways.

[Boscar Obarra]

4) He thought it was a two turn race until the last 2 yds.

5) Ladies first

[Boscar Obarra]

so has this been completely forgotten? anyone mention this officially?

[toppled]

Unbridled Danger is entered Saturday in a $15K claimer at 6f with Pezua back in the saddle.  However, before you plan on betting him I\'d look at his and the connections dismal record.  Young is 4/93 the last 5 years with 3 of those 4 wins by UD.  But, UD is currently on a 14 race losing streak & prior to his win 15 races ago, he was on a 31 race losing streak, making him 1 for his last 46 starts, or if you\'re an optimist 2 for his last 47.  The good news is the horse has a history of running back between 1-7 days between races so if he looks like he was stiffed again, you\'ll have another shot at him next week.

[Boscar Obarra]

It doesn\'t matter if he wins by 10 or runs dead last next out.. The issue is, the ride was inexplicable, and as a paying customer, you\'re entitled to an explanation. Even a bad one.

[Lost Cause]

Hey Boscar,
I sent an email to HANA reps.  They were quick to respond and said they were going to look into it.  I figured they were the best first contact.  JB suggested DRF Editor, Is there an email address or link on drf or does it have to go through snail mail?

I still can\'t get over that ride.  I know Pezua is would give some BS excuse but I still want to hear it.  Some posters here are talking about the connections being bad and other stuff but none of it matters.  That horse was the best horse that day and was purposely held not to win that race.  Period.  It doesn\'t matter how bad the jock is or how bad the trainer is, the horse would have won that race if the jockey let the reins go but he chose not to. Pezua has been around for a hundred years he knows how to whip a horse when they are in the stretch or at least move his arms forward and back.
I\'ll let u guys know if anything happens.  I won\'t hold my breath as horseplayers don\'t seem to matter when it comes to track management.  We just keep taking it.

[Rich Curtis]

editor@drf.com

[Lost Cause]

Thanks RC!!
I will contact them too.

[toppled]

Here was my point:
Back in the old days when the DRF used to print all the stewards rulings, good money could be made by betting back horses that were stiffed to the point that the stewards fined or suspended the jockey.  If I knew a horse was stiffed, I\'d give it a lot of consideration the next time it ran.  
Many years ago, when I was living in Buffalo, I heard a story from the Raceway regulars of some harness riders conspiring to eliminate a non-cheating horse at Buffalo Raceway and the honest rider got so mad after the race he started beating up one of the other riders. When the defeated horse came back the next time, I was all over it. Paid $18 to win with nice prices on the exacta & trifecta.  
So, ordinarily, I\'d be looking to bet this horse back, but the horse & connections are so weak I just can\'t do it with Unbridled Danger.  My point was usually the next race out for a stiffed horse is a great money making opportunity, but it might not be with this horse.