Rapid Redux - Horse Of The Year

[Lost Cause]

plasticman Wrote:
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> LC, Blame beat Z fair and square but Haynesfield
> beat Blame fair and square.

and then Blame came back to beat Haynesfield in the classic to even them out..so then you look at their record for the rest of the year and that is why Blame was better than him..Z didn\'t split with Blame she lost to him and that was it.. she lost..so how is she better than him?? based on the garbage she was winning in Cali?  And if you want to bring in the Classic you can say she won one and Blame won one , so you look at their racing record for the rest of their races and she starts to look like Rapid Redux with the type of horses she was beating while Blame faced and beat Einsteins and Quality Roads,,

Like I said..I have no beef with her as I think she is really good and also got screwed by connections that caused this unsurety about how good she was but in the race she was supposed to prove everyone wrong she got beat..fair and square..

We can go on about this forever so i\'ll leave it here..

[Flighted Iron]

Plasticman,

  If you\'re speaking about north america then yes.otherwise you may want to check
out Camarero.

flighted iron

[plasticman]

FI, thanks for that bit of info. Since the American media has only mentioned Z and PP, i just assumed that they were right.

[plasticman]

LC, Blame did Beat Haynes in the classic, my point was that both HOY \'contenders\' lost 1 race on the year. If Z gets up to win by a nose, she wins the HOY in a landslide. Since she lost by a nose (or a neck) she\'s supposed to LOSE the HOY in a \'landslide\'? Is 6 inches really enough of a margin to take hundreds of votes from Z and shift them to B?

I believe that if Z had been up the track in the classic and Blame had won (he would have won by open lengths had Z not been charging) than i think Blame wins HOY. Z\'s big late charge, imo, won her the title. She proved she was \'about equal\' to Blame, and according to the voters, that was good enough.

Personally, i would have no problem seeing Rapid Redux win HOY if he goes the rest of year without a loss. He won\'t win it, but if he did, i wouldnt say it was a travesty.

[MonmouthGuy]

Z\'s list of wins in Cali Filly & Mare G1s in 2010 did not include one horse that ran in the Breeders Cup Ladies Classic.

[sekrah]

 my point was that both HOY \'contenders\' lost 1 race on the year.

The problem with that comparison is that one of the contenders (Z) ran only 1 race that year.

[Funny Cide]

plasticman Wrote:
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> LC, Blame beat Z fair and square but Haynesfield
> beat Blame fair and square. Both horses lost one
> race fair and square. Z had the better career and
> the better span of 2/3 years. I know its \'horse of
> the YEAR\' but since there is really no criteria
> for voting and the voting is done by humans, those
> same humans are allowed to make the last TWO years
> a factor, even if they technically should not.
>
> Z won the BCC the year before in stunning fashion
> and LOST the HOY. She had back to back sensational
> performances in the BCC while Blame only had 1.
>
> The award is horse of the YEAR, but it could
> theoretically be \'horse of the period\'. Its the
> same in pro sports. MVP is most VALUABLE player,
> but usually, the player who wins this award is the
> BEST player and not necessarily the most valuable
> to his team. It SAYS valuable, but really means
> BEST. Maybe \"Year\" really means \"period\".
>
> Since there is no bylaws for HOY voters that they
> are not allowed to \'take into consideration\'
> anything that happened outside of the \'jan 1-dec
> 31\' calendar year, its open to interpretation, its
> just a matter of how you want to interpret it.

I don\'t disagree with your argument, but I don\'t think you\'re making it as well as you can.

One doesn\'t have to count any races of any prior years to still come up with Zenyatta having the best 2010.  It was in 2010 that she recorded the following achievements:  Won a record-tying 16 in a row; won record-setting 17, 18, and 19 in a row; won her 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th G1s; and won her 9th G1 in a row.

In addition, she clearly ran the best BC Classic, when she just barely ran out of real estate after climbing early, wearing the wrong shoes for that surface.

Blame was not by any stretch of the imagination the best racehorse of 2010.  He was a good racehorse whose biggest claim to fame will be that he is the only one to beat Zenyatta.  Run that race 9 more times, with Zenyatta in the right shoes, and she wins the next 9.  Not a doubt in my mind, even though I was somewhat critical of her accomplishments, mostly on synthetics.

[Funny Cide]

plasticman Wrote:
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>
> Personally, i would have no problem seeing Rapid
> Redux win HOY if he goes the rest of year without
> a loss. He won\'t win it, but if he did, i wouldnt
> say it was a travesty.

It\'d be a travesty.  Really, what do you think his chances would be against Mo or Grace or Flat Out or Game On Dude?  Or whatever horse happens to be the highest priced horse in any of the races open to older males on dirt?

I\'m fond of Rapid Redux and hope they don\'t break him down, but you don\'t vote for a horse for HOY who stands no chance whatsoever against the best horses out there.

[plasticman]

Excellent points FC. I didnt discuss that because i just assumed that everyone knew Z was the \'better horse\' even in defeat. (yep, the best horse doesnt always win).

[Lost Cause]

I have it the other way..due to Z having no speed she gets beat everytime versus blame..I think blame actually ran the harder race of the two and still beat her..
And I think he was the best horse on 2010..  I guess this is why the sport is so great..we all see the same races and have the same info yet we still come out with different thoughts..

[sekrah]

Funny Cide Wrote:
> Run that
> race 9 more times, with Zenyatta in the right
> shoes, and she wins the next 9.  

One of the more asinine statements I\'ve read on here in a while.   Completely and totally absurd.

[Funny Cide]

sekrah Wrote:
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> Funny Cide Wrote:
> > Run that
> > race 9 more times, with Zenyatta in the right
> > shoes, and she wins the next 9.  
>
> One of the more asinine statements I\'ve read on
> here in a while.   Completely and totally absurd.

It\'s more asinine to say the mare only ran one race in 2010.

[Flighted Iron]

sekrah,

 he does have a point.you know women and their shoes!

[P-Dub]

sekrah Wrote:
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> Funny Cide Wrote:
> > Run that
> > race 9 more times, with Zenyatta in the right
> > shoes, and she wins the next 9.  
>
> One of the more asinine statements I\'ve read on
> here in a while.   Completely and totally absurd.


There are quite a few comments around here that qualify.

Aren\'t you happy to have started this thread??

[sekrah]

Oh definently happy I started the thread.  The more people educated on what a fraud the 2010 HOY Award was, and how overrated the \"great\" Zenyatta was, the better.