G-Men

[plasticman]

I think Alex is getting respect, many who know football realize he\'s a gamer and a baller and and out right play maker and all he does is win, we get that, i was just trying to make a point as to why Eli might have more iNT\'s than Alex.

I think that he\'s (alex) gotta EARN the respect. That was his first lifetime playoff win? He\'s not supposed to be getting as much respect as Eli, he\'s not at that point yet, Eli went and slayed an undefeated Tom Brady team in the Super Bowl, and he\'s beaten Favre and Rodgers in Lambeau. Three all time great QBs and Eli beat them all (2 on the road and 1 in neutral field) of them in HUGE games.

If Alex wins this game, he\'s taken the next step. I think he\'s getting exactly the amount of respect he deserves for what he\'s accomplished in his career.

[MonmouthGuy]

You are correct, sir. Good post.

[TGJB]

SF is a very good team, no doubt. But the Giants are a much better and healthier football team than they were six weeks ago, especially on defense, and play very well on the road. With defenses like these two it figures to be a close field position game all the way.

I made two SB bets before the playoffs started, Giants at 20-1 (I actually tried to get down at a bigger price before the Dallas game and couldn\'t), and Ravens at 6.7-1 (which probably was a little short but I had an opinion and wanted the action). My opinions were based as much on the Packer and Patriot defenses as anything else.

So I\'ll be watching Sunday...

[P-Dub]

TGJB Wrote:
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> SF is a very good team, no doubt. But the Giants
> are a much better and healthier football team than
> they were six weeks ago, especially on defense,
> and play very well on the road. With defenses like
> these two it figures to be a close field position
> game all the way.
>
> I made two SB bets before the playoffs started,
> Giants at 20-1 (I actually tried to get down at a
> bigger price before the Dallas game and couldn\'t),
> and Ravens at 6.7-1 (which probably was a little
> short but I had an opinion and wanted the action).
> My opinions were based as much on the Packer and
> Patriot defenses as anything else.
>
> So I\'ll be watching Sunday...

Great bets JB, those types of defenses seldom win championships.

Plastic,
Point taken. Enjoyed the discussion.

[Silver Charm]

Red Zone Offense will decide this. The Giants will move the ball bjt if they are kicking FG\'s they will have prlblems. Because SF doesnt give up many Rjshing TD\'s the buck stops with Eli to make throws and plays. He is up to the task with his experience.....

[plasticman]

Same here PD.

GL Jerry, hopefully you are in the black before Super Bowl sunday even comes. The Ravens punking the Giants a decade ago still leaves a bad taste in my mouth...i\'d like to get a chance to see them again....and redeem.

[Topcat]

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Red Zone Offense will decide this. The Giants will
> move the ball bjt if they are kicking FG\'s they
> will have prlblems. Because SF doesnt give up many
> Rjshing TD\'s the buck stops with Eli to make
> throws and plays. He is up to the task with his
> experience.....


Giants certainly capable of winning this . . . but # of Giant running backs to be removed from the field on gurneys due to broken bones: O/U: 1 1/2.

[Topcat]

phil23 Wrote:
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> Giants led the league in Turnover Ratio, this is
> something that is not reproducible and always
> regresses to the mean (see last year\'s NENG/NJ
> playoff game).  Although that regression certainly
> didn\'t start last weekend.  Saints really must
> just want to throw up after turning the ball over
> 5 times last week.  
>
> Interestingly, the top 3 teams in Turnover Ratio
> there year were, in order, SF/GBAY/NENG.  Giants
> 8th, Ravens 12th.  
>
> I can\'t stand the Giants but I know which way I\'d
> be betting this game.  The wrong side is favoured
> here.


This is likely one of the top reasons to play the Giants, should
you feel that way.

[FrankD.]

Topcat,

SF -2.5 is an awfully weak line for a 2 seed with a 13-3 record at home against a 4 seed with a 9-7 record whom they beat during the year. Especially with the left coast influence in Vegas.

IMHO the line should have been 3.5 or 4 but there would have been a run on the windows to bet the Giants at that price and create a juicy middle ala Steelers  vs Cowboys Super Bowl circa 1979. Zero movement all week in Vegas but a couple of off shore 1\'s and 1.5\'s out there.

A very interesting game to say the least especially with 20 mph winds and a 100 % chance of quite a bit of rain. Conditions may favor the home teams running game?

This should make Richiebee happy a Frank D. post with a weather report!!!

[Topcat]

FrankD. Wrote:
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> Topcat,
>
> SF -2.5 is an awfully weak line for a 2 seed with
> a 13-3 record at home against a 4 seed with a 9-7
> record whom they beat during the year. Especially
> with the left coast influence in Vegas.
>
> IMHO the line should have been 3.5 or 4 but there
> would have been a run on the windows to bet the
> Giants at that price and create a juicy middle ala
> Steelers  vs Cowboys Super Bowl circa 1979. Zero
> movement all week in Vegas but a couple of off
> shore 1\'s and 1.5\'s out there.
>
> A very interesting game to say the least
> especially with 20 mph winds and a 100 % chance of
> quite a bit of rain. Conditions may favor the home
> teams running game?
>
> This should make Richiebee happy a Frank D. post
> with a weather report!!!


Sure it is . . . but it opened even cheaper, with some outs dangling Gints -1 for a brief period.

You have to forgive the Giants for their earlier loss out there, given they were just off their win in New England . . . much like you have to forgive Frisco for their loss in Baltimore on a (heaven help us) Thursday night.

We are talking a national line, for the most part, in this case (a conference championship).   Giants are historically overbet, since so many of their fans bet straight from the shoulder, with their hearts.   Before this year, Frisco hasn\'t been a public team for a long, long time, as we all know.

I wouldn\'t play the NFC game with your money.   Now, the other game . . . that\'s good stuff.

[richiebee]

FrankD. Wrote:
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> This should make Richiebee happy a Frank D. post
> with a weather report!!!

Frank:

I take great joy from any Frank D post, but the weather report reminds me that
the Spa is only about 6 months away.

Frank, a question about Chicago racing in the early 1980s: Did they run
thoroughbreds at Sportsmans in January and February? This was a bull ring, so
when they ran 6 or 6-1/2 furlong races these were around two turns, no?

Hoping for two competitive games today, might sneak in a bet at Oaklawn as NY
racing under the current regime is kind of unappetizing.

[FrankD.]

Richie,

They ran on the Sportsman\'s bull ring usually opening somewhere around President\'s day and yes it was a 5/8 track and 2 turn sprints.

I learned a lot about trips there to say the least and because of the Chicago weather you got some crazy track biases there in February and March. Rick B. and Topcat I\'m sure have some great memories of that track, I loved it.

 One of the best was Lost Code winning the 3 turn Illinois Derby by 17 lengths in 1987. Another was when the Ragozin track men attempted to start making numbers there around the same time. They were completely perplexed by all the factors involved in charting races there. All the trip handicappers used to sit on the first turn and chart all the \" climbers\" fun days for sure. I was making my own figs plus figuring out your own Beyer & Tomillison mud & turf numbers back in the dark ages.

Frank D.

[Uncle Buck]

The rain has been coming down since 10am. Gonna be a very sloppy field in the second half

[Topcat]

richiebee Wrote:
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> FrankD. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>  
> > This should make Richiebee happy a Frank D.
> post
> > with a weather report!!!
>
> Frank:
>
> I take great joy from any Frank D post, but the
> weather report reminds me that
> the Spa is only about 6 months away.
>
> Frank, a question about Chicago racing in the
> early 1980s: Did they run
> thoroughbreds at Sportsmans in January and
> February? This was a bull ring, so
> when they ran 6 or 6-1/2 furlong races these were
> around two turns, no?
>
> Hoping for two competitive games today, might
> sneak in a bet at Oaklawn as NY
> racing under the current regime is kind of
> unappetizing.



They NEVER ran at Sportsman\'s in January.

Hawthorne has occasionally ventured into January in recent years, to my recollection, but in that town, it\'s a bad idea.

Deepest January run I remember is when Washington Park (site of the Nashua/Sawps match, down at 175th and Halsted) ran one winter, deep into the month.    Was working there at the time, and remember vividly being roused from my bed with the depths-of-night information, \"Washington Park\'s burning down.\"

[Silver Charm]

Competitive Games??

Yes I think so.....WOW!!!

BTW-my prediction Eli wouldnt throw 63 times was correct. He threw 58!!