BODE huge odds drop

[miff]

Think many are missing the point here. Players have noted and pointed out a tremendous betting anomoly, almost unheard of given the pool size. Do you think that:

a) The Clueless Clowns responsible for pool integrity at CD even know it?

b) If they do, why not come and say something along the lines like:

\"Incidentally, we noted a very large wager on Bodemeister registered on the tote after the race had started. We want our patrons to know that the wager was placed before the race began and that systems and procedures to protect pool integrity are used at all CD venues\"

...the Clueless Clowns just don\'t get it.


Mike

[HP]

If someone, or in this case, maybe a few hundred people, make bets just as the race is going off, of course the odds are going to change when the gate opens.  It\'s not a \"real time\" system.  Plus who knows how online bets are processed and how long that takes to update?  I really don\'t think the bets are being made after the start of the race.  

It would be good if there was a clear statement addressing this, but seeing the odds change after the gate opens does not surprise me.  Especially since a lot of big players like to wait for the very last second.  

HP

[Rich Curtis]

Silver Charm wrote:

\"Frank could not agree more. Track Security for things like access to various locations (Turf Club, Paddock, etc) was almost Gestapo like. Regardless of who you were with (State Trooper), what you had in your hand (Turf Club walk-around) or what you were asking to do (walk up 15 steps).
Too think that these guys are clueless on what people are doing to them on the outside with Wagers, which is driving the whole operation, and the CREDIBILITY of the entire race is NUTS!!!\"

 This is what makes it so easy to investigate things like this at tracks across the country. Just hire somebody to visit every racetrack and walk up some steps.

[Silver Charm]

Rich you lost me there.

Miff and HP I agree with both of you. Miff I said so much above with my tongue in cheek reference to last scene from \"The Sting\".

And to both of your points what cause this things to create more suspicion when it looks like a last second \"Al Gore vote drop in Broward and Palm Beach County\" when the other guy was prematurely declared the winner.

After the other guy was prematurely declared the winner......wink!

[sighthound]

>>You only notice because you see the first 4 horses, they are the only horses that >>have odds posted on the screen. You don\'t notice the horses further back. There >>are many instances where the odds change for horses farther back in the field.

We have pari-mutual betting.  Any time the odds change on one horse, the odds must change on all horses.

Yes, a horse at 50-1 isn\'t going to show much of a change on the tote in a big pool.  But it does in an average track pool daily.   If we displayed odds in single digits rather than the grossly averaged way we do now, big moves at the last minute would be clearly more apparent, when a horse drops from 1.80 to 1.50 (a huge move in a big pool)

If we stopped betting five minutes to post, the odds would still change the exact same way they do now down to post time.  We are using different computer systems to funnel multiple local pools, ADW pools, international pool, etc., into the final odds construction.

Yes, I know there have been documented incidences of past-posting.

[sighthound]

In all seriousness, Why don\'t one of you guys write up a short synopsis, and send it off to Joe Drape?  I\'d rather seem him attack this than what he does now.

[P-Dub]

FrankD. Wrote:
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> Guy\'s,
>
> Grow the F %$# up with this string. Your talking
> about a 1 1/4 mile race which maybe has had a half
> dozen coast to coast winners in 138 years not
> betting the pull on a half mile harness track!
>
> Really,
>
> FD

You might want to settle the F %$# down.

The string isn\'t about just the Derby, its just the latest example.

Can your condescension.