10X worse than the Lasix issue!

[Boscar Obarra]

Drf saying what I said yest, that books would never pay off.

 In any case, whoever did this, unless it was an honest mistake, is a moron.

[mjellish]

Miff,

I get what you are saying, but I don\'t have a problem with it so long as they are not breaking the law.  Past posting is breaking the law.

On normal race days in normal size pools there does come a point where a big player faces diminishing returns by betting more.  Time to put your money in another pool.  I have no problem with people who use software to help with that.  

On another level, I don\'t like watching a horse drop 50% in value after the gates open either when my money is on it.  But I get the other side of it too.  If I\'ve spent the time and money to get that edge, and there is no law against it, then I deserve to have it.

This never was or never will be a level playing field.  

Back in the day I used to have a teller that I would hand signal and he would punch out my tickets if I was stuck in line.  I tipped him accordingly.  I even went to his father\'s funeral.  Was that cheating?  To me, I earned that right.  

This is a whole new ballgame these days.  Hell, Mike Welsch is there at Churchill reporting by video about all of the Derby and Oaks workers.  It\'s free to watch and he\'s pretty good.  So that edge on those races is fading away.  

I think the question becomes if you draw the line, where do you draw it?  Should everyone get free TG numbers?  Should everyone get software?  Should we all be hard wired in?  How do we balance out the needs of the big player and the average joe?  

I dunno.  But we have casinos now all over all the place on tribal land, and they do a pretty good job of attracting alot of money that used to come to the track.  Any big player has to get that they benefit by having the average joe at the track.  In fact, without Joe it\'s probably too tough of a game.  So your point has a lot of merit.

[magicnight]

\"Drf saying what I said yest, that books would never pay off.

In any case, whoever did this, unless it was an honest mistake, is a moron.\"

Yeah. This thing makes less sense the more that comes out about it. I was checking the Racing Post to see if this came up on the radar of the Irish and English books and found nothing. I googled the connections and the breeder/owner is an optometrist from Ohio who is active in that state\'s HBPA and the trainer is a small-timer with a typical win rate.

Looking like you are on target with the \"moron or honest mistake\" choice.

JMA11473 suggested yesterday that maybe the computer or the programmer bugged out. Not sure if that explains the two different betting accounts used, but it sure doesn\'t rule it out.

[Boscar Obarra]

Just looked at the chart. This guy bet so much into the race, that every horse was the same price, \'cept the winner who was a point higher.

 This pretty much guarantees he loses the take , no matter who wins, assuming all the action was from one source.

  There are a few possible explanations, none more likely than an automated program gone awry.

[Topcat]

mjellish Wrote:
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> Miff,
>
> I get what you are saying, but I don\'t have a
> problem with it so long as they are not breaking
> the law.  Past posting is breaking the law.
>
> On normal race days in normal size pools there
> does come a point where a big player faces
> diminishing returns by betting more.  Time to put
> your money in another pool.  I have no problem
> with people who use software to help with that.  
>
> On another level, I don\'t like watching a horse
> drop 50% in value after the gates open either when
> my money is on it.  But I get the other side of it
> too.  If I\'ve spent the time and money to get that
> edge, and there is no law against it, then I
> deserve to have it.
>
> This never was or never will be a level playing
> field.  
>
> Back in the day I used to have a teller that I
> would hand signal and he would punch out my
> tickets if I was stuck in line.  I tipped him
> accordingly.  I even went to his father\'s funeral.
>  Was that cheating?  To me, I earned that right.  
>
>
> This is a whole new ballgame these days.  Hell,
> Mike Welsch is there at Churchill reporting by
> video about all of the Derby and Oaks workers.
> It\'s free to watch and he\'s pretty good.  So that
> edge on those races is fading away.  
>
> I think the question becomes if you draw the line,
> where do you draw it?  Should everyone get free TG
> numbers?  Should everyone get software?  Should we
> all be hard wired in?  How do we balance out the
> needs of the big player and the average joe?  
>
> I dunno.  But we have casinos now all over all the
> place on tribal land, and they do a pretty good
> job of attracting alot of money that used to come
> to the track.  Any big player has to get that they
> benefit by having the average joe at the track.
> In fact, without Joe it\'s probably too tough of a
> game.  So your point has a lot of merit.


The way the programs affect the pools have both helped and hurt me . . . they\'ve helped when they build the price on an overlooked longshot trending on a steady odds drift-up the last five or so minutes of betting . . . and they\'ve hurt (especially in the past few years) on sharp pattern horses which the programs pound in the final minute . . .