Frankel

[miff]

Rich,

Believe it or not but for pure fast, at the top level, I never saw a horse as consistently fast as Dr.Fager.Saw his last start at Aqueduct, 7f with 139 pounds, fight off a rival, half in 43.4, and cruise home in 1.20.1.

Keeping the subjective out, like best or greatest, he was the fastest horse that ever lived any era,imo.


Mike

[Rich Curtis]

Miff,

  I\'m happy to accept your opinion of Dr. Fager. He was before my time. My first memory in life is of seeing Maria Schneider in \"Last Tango in Paris,\" and everything since has been anti-climactic.

[miff]

Rich,

Technologically challenged or I\'d post Fagers pp\'s. Sure anyone who follows and respects figs would be impressed.

[moosepalm]

Rich Curtis Wrote:
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> Miff,
>
>   I\'m happy to accept your opinion of Dr. Fager.
> He was before my time. My first memory in life is
> of seeing Maria Schneider in \"Last Tango in
> Paris,\" and everything since has been
> anti-climactic.

I remember reading somewhere that she also received a 139 Beyer for that performance.

[Edgorman]

Yes, but amazingly, according to Brando, she never bounced.

[Lost Cause]

miff Wrote:
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> Rich,
>
> Technologically challenged or I\'d post Fagers
> pp\'s. Sure anyone who follows and respects figs
> would be impressed.


Overrated    
Was there a reason Dr Fager didn\'t run in the triple crown races?

http://www1.drf.com/misc/excerpts/dr_fager.pdf


also..
In the 1960\'s they had better pp information than we can get from euro imports now??

[miff]

Thanks Lost,

Fager nursed a knee and ankle most of his career esp around the TC time.Nerud not so certain Fager could take it physically. His 2 defeats by Damascus,a very serious race horse, were the product of Damascus entry mate Hedevar(Think or Kissing George) going head to head with Fager to soften him.Fager was head strong, pulled and would try to savage any horses near him, a killer.

Funny how the connections of many horses today scream when they have to spot/carry weight, just look what this horse carried, shipping all over while smashing track records.

Can\'t say best that ever lived but I think the fastest.

Mike

[bellsbendboy]

Thanks Jb many of us were worries about Sekrah becoming Nyc 1347 with his/her remarkable prattle. bbb

[Lost Cause]

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&list=PL11563EB84580833F&nomobile=1

Take a ride down memory lane..these are some Dr fager videos

[sighthound]

Wow ... the Washington Park meet at Arlington Park with Phil Gorgeff calling ... where I first fell for racing.  What a terrifc time for racing, at that great horse racing facility, the old grandstand before it burned down.

Dr Fager - I\'d put him and Secretariat up there together, indeed.

[miff]

\"Dr Fager - I\'d put him and Secretariat up there together, indeed\'

Sight,

Yet no match vs todays runners which are 2 seconds or app 11.75 lengths faster.I have a nice bridge for sale over in Brooklyn for anyone who believes that.


Mike

[TGJB]

When I was a kid we used to walk 4 miles to school each day through the snow, carrying 80 pounds of books and our kid brothers...

Walter Johnson threw 120 miles an hour, the Babe hit the ball 900 feet with a hangover and a cigar behind his ear...

What was that song at the start of All In The Family? You know, the national anthem of the outer boroughs?

[miff]

Yeah, damn the science, the teletimer was always broken back then.

[TGJB]

Seriously? Science?? Using raw times 40 years apart is science?

[miff]

\"Using raw times 40 years apart is science\'

JB,

You know better what I mean, raw time adjusted for track speed worked then as well as now and it was being done.

Fascinated at a young age when told by speed boy disciple that a Cali shipper  that ran 1.10.2 for 6f in it\'s last race was not \"as fast\" as a local horse that ran 1.11 in its last race.WTF, I said,guys nuts,I was wrong when the local horse whistled.I was enlightened.

Mike