Hansen

[Silver Charm]

Shoild gallop here. But why is he here? 2YO Champ running in the corn fields of Iowa. Has passed on more races this year anyone you can imagine

Race does ZILCH for Stud Value. Die his coat red and he continues to duck serious competition....

[Rick B.]

Can\'t think of any other race around that would improve his stud value, if he were to win it -- he\'s a nice miler, and that\'s about it. He might be worth $15 or $20K at stud right now. Finicky market at the moment.

Not sure about the \"ducking\" claim...lots of trainers pick spots carefully, and if you mean the Met Mile, remember that the Ky. Derby has knocked the stuffing out of quite a few horses, in a manner that far exceeds an ordinary race; some horses are never the same again. We don\'t really know what kind of shape Hansen was in after the Derby.

The money for 1st place last night was adequate. Nothing wrong with $150K for a public workout, right? Smart horsemen had better keep scooping up slots-supplemented purses while it\'s still being offered -- from what I could tell, the amount wagered on the Iowa Derby didn\'t even cover the purse money being offered. That won\'t last.

[Silver Charm]

Rick he left town in South Florida after an.initial.race drubbing and ran on the Inner Dirt at Aqeduct in the Gotham. I guess the FOY was not as important.of a race as the one they chose.

Committed to the Wood then.did an about face and went Synthetic in the Blue Grass. Lots of horses have run worse in the Derby than he did, no disgrace there. But we are off the Triple Crown Trail....fine....and we are pointing for the Woody Stephens.

Wait we are skipping that race and wouldnt consider the One Turn Dwyer at $200K because the $250K Iowa Derby ia more prestige.

$15-$20K Stud Fee??? Based on what so far?? That lone BC Juvy win or maybe I needed to throw in those two Turfway Wins from last year....This is NOT a good resume!!

But the horse is pretty....

[Rick B.]

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> $15-$20K Stud Fee??? Based on what so far?? That
> lone BC Juvy win or maybe I needed to throw in
> those two Turfway Wins from last year....This is
> NOT a good resume!!
>
> But the horse is pretty....

You are *really* sour on this horse, aren\'t you?

8 starts, 5 wins, 2 places...multiple graded stakes winner...almost $1.8 million in earnings...

What does a horse have to do to impress you, I wonder? Are there really that many horses around with \"not good\" resumes like Hansen\'s? Wow.

[kekomi]

skipped the FOY because he spiked a fever after the gotham and missed a week or two of training, they chose the gotham because it was the next available race.

skipped the wood because he lost a lot of weight and wasn\'t eating after the gotham. they chose the bluegrass because it was the next available race and didn\'t involve shipping (they thought the weight loss might have been due to a bad reaction to shipping).

skipped the woody stevens because hansen got sick and had a depleted red blood cell count--which can be serious cause for alarm. chose the iowa, because it was an easier ship than the dwyer, it was supposed to be cooler temp wise than NY (and it was), and because they wanted to get a win (crazy i know right?)--much like bob baffert pointing horses like concord point and prayer for relief to the iowa in past years.

any horse that runs 1.42.01 in a hand ride, winning by ten, while giving the field 6-7 lbs, ran a solid race regardless of the crappiness of the competition.

hansen will definitely get $10-20,000 at stud his first year, unless there is some sort of implosion before he retiers--he\'s got everything breeders want--speed, precocity, confirmation, and solid record at two turns--and that he\'s pretty doesn\'t hurt either. and what he gets after his get starts running will depend on how they do, not on his record--tapit gets a pretty penny because he consistently throws winners, not because he won the wood, ran 9th in the KY and PA derbies and 6th in the Fl derby...

[Silver Charm]

You own a mare and for $15-$20K as a Stallion you have a choice:

Shakleford
Calebs Posse
Honor and Serve
Jackson Bend
Bodemeister
Creative Cause
Paynter
Union Rags
Gemoligist
Or
Hansen

All 9 above have much better resumes and figures....

[Rick B.]

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> You own a mare and for $15-$20K as a Stallion you
> have a choice:
>
> Shakleford
> Calebs Posse
> Honor and Serve
> Jackson Bend
> Bodemeister
> Creative Cause
> Paynter
> Union Rags
> Gemoligist
> Or
> Hansen
>
> All 9 above have much better resumes and
> figures....

The other fellow decimated your \"ducking\" argument, so you come back with this?

Sure, a couple of those are \"better\" than Hansen, depending on what you are hoping for with your mating...but throwing Bodemeister and Paynter in there is just you trying to agitate those of us that happen to think Hansen is a pretty damn good horse.

I\'m not biting. Off to the Naperville Ribfest, headliner is \"...a little ol\' band from Texas\". Should be nutZZ tonight!

[Ill-bred]

Hansen has zero on the female side of the pedigree and that will lower his stud fee significantly.He\'s no 20k stallion.

His highest use right now is to scoop big 3yo restricted purses like the Iowa Derby.

[Rick B.]

Ill-bred Wrote:
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> Hansen has zero on the female side of the pedigree...

Breeders look at far more than just \"ma & pa\".

In the first four dam side generations: Storm Cat, Private Account,
Raise A Native, Temperence Hill.

That\'s a wee bit more than \"zero\", don\'t you think?

[TGJB]

If you go back 2 generations you will find big sire names in every pedigree. And 2 of those 4 are viewed as negatives commercially. What this horse has is an Eclipse award, but beyond that he has a ceiling-- unless he wins the Travers, a BC race on dirt or another Eclipse he\'s not that commercial.

[Rick B.]

TGJB Wrote:
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> If you go back 2 generations you will find big
> sire names in every pedigree. And 2 of those 4 are
> viewed as negatives commercially.

I was merely refuting the idea that Hansen has \"zero\"
pedigree on the dam side.

> What this horse has is an Eclipse award, but beyond that
> he has a ceiling-- unless he wins the Travers, a BC race
> on dirt or another Eclipse he\'s not that commercial.

You meant *another* BC race on dirt, I\'m sure.

I wouldn\'t run him in the Travers, but if he\'s healthy, an
attempt at the BC Dirt Mile seems like a no-brainer.

I also wish the connections would try him on turf -- his
grass breeding is decent enough to at least see whether
he takes to it.

Don\'t understand why everyone seems to want to write this
horse off. I surely wouldn\'t kick him out of my barn...if
I had a barn.

[TGJB]

The BC win is baked into the Eclipse, and we\'re talking about a stud career, not about him as a racehorse. \"Grass horse\" is the kiss of death in today\'s market-- one reason why the Euros are better on turf. They breed for it, we don\'t.

[Rick B.]

TGJB Wrote:
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> The BC win is baked into the Eclipse, and we\'re
> talking about a stud career, not about him as a
> racehorse. \"Grass horse\" is the kiss of death in
> today\'s market-- one reason why the Euros are
> better on turf. They breed for it, we don\'t.

Except Hansen wouldn\'t be just a \"grass horse\" if
he did well on that surface.
 
How many stallions are around that have performed
at a reasonably high level on dirt, syn, AND grass?

(Never mind Hansen\'s precociousness and brilliance,
which of course no one in the U.S. wants to breed to
anymore.)

[TGJB]

I\'ll tell you what, we\'ll see what he stands for if he doesn\'t do one of the things I mentioned. There are a few people who read/post here that would have a professional level opinion, but my guess would be around 15k. Right now Bodemeister is more commercial, which is why Win Star grabbed him.

Keep in mind this is not an opinion of what kind of sire he\'ll be, just how commercial.

[TGJB]

Okay, just talked to a top Ky farm manager.

1-- The top offer from Ky for IHA was 3M (the Japanese paid much more). At 3M, he would have stood for 12.5-15k

2-- He says if Hansen retired today he would stand for 7.5-10k.