jerry, the contest....

[miff]

Rick B,

Yes to contest results>

Game we support is run so amateurishly, it\'s almost funny.Would think DRF et al would be all over reporting about the contest, the big money, the winners
/runner up strategy etc.

It\'s mainly about fking lasix and the lots of other bullshit.

Mike

[alm]

First of all, I would only be redboarding if I didn\'t make this statement about 20 times during the 2 days of the contest...to the guys sitting around me who were betting real money.  Many of whom were using Thorograph numbers.

As for where the figures come from....Equibase numbers for the contenders adjusted for groundloss.  Game on Dude wasn\'t even close to the top 5 using this approach.  The top 5 included Flat Out, Fort Larned, Mucho Macho Man, Ron the Greek and To Honor and Serve.  Do a little homework and you\'ll see what I mean.

By the way, the same approach would have given you a Ky Derby exacta of I\'ll Have Another and Bodemeister.  Which is why I stopped posting here.

You can believe whatever you want about whatever figures you want.  I could care less at this point.

[alm]

Pal, I use ME for my analysis.

[miff]

In fairness,different interpretation is the issue.Some Rag and TG friends got killed,some won.A Rag friend lost $55k,over the two days, playing these horses to bounce:

Game On Dude, Groupie Doll, Wise Dan,Royal Delta,Beholder($8k against)

I used every one of the above in some form of vertical/horizontal. My biggest play did not involve any of them(Unbridles Note)

...interpretation!

Mike

[Rick B.]

justwin Wrote:
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> But don\'t expect everyone to be a winner due
> to the TG #\'s.

For the record, I no longer blindly follow the TG
suggestions in the seminar.

One adjustment I\'ve learned to make from trial
and error is to include short-priced horses in
my exotics even if TG is thumbs down on them.

I love the aggresive stance of tossing such horses
when they have knocks on them, but they crash the
ticket often enough to screw me out of a nice score.

As an example, TG was fairly negative on Point of
Entry in the BC Turf, but they had Little Mike,
St. Nicholas Abbey and Trailblazer as either
contenders or \"must use\"; if I leave Point of
Entry out, I miss everything. I don\'t have the
stomach for that anymore; I\'d rather bet a little
too much and lose that way instead of making \"the
perfect ticket\" and missing out on decent scores
that keep me alive.

(I am reminded of Barry Meadow\'s comments about
exotics wagering, and the need to spread out in the
lesser spots: \"...even Living Filth can stumble home
for 3rd\". Well, so can a despised favorite.)

The bottom line, though is that without TG, there
is almost NFW I have Little Mike on top, and THAT
is the power of TG, in my opinion: having the data
(and the courage) to support these $30 and $40
horses the average handicapper can\'t find more than
once a month.

[Rick B.]

alm Wrote:
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> Pal, I use ME for my analysis.

I see.

Let us know when you have tons of customers,
and are advising clients on multimillion dollar
horseflesh purchases, will you?

Until then, well...you\'ve had the right idea, up
to about now.

[justwin]

I tossed 2 of TG recommendations during the BC. Little Mike & Trinniberg. That tells you what type of Saturday I had. Can someone please post why to use Little Mike. i included Point of Entry and had the 2nd, 3rd & 4th in the race keying St Nick. Little Mike seemed about a point too slow plus going a distance which i thought was not his best. i really appreciate the posts as I am always trying to learn.

[TGJB]

Mike-- interpretation is a factor in lots of situations. But when they have Groupie going back, not forward; no dead rail notation for Little Mike last time; the Euros laying over the Mile field, AND Wise Dan both going backward and his last two not fast even relative to the California horses (let alone the Euros)-- those aren\'t questions of interpretation.

Interpretation coupled with price is why we didn\'t like Point Of Entry-- but his last on TG put him in the picture with an inside trip, and two back was a huge figure in the race, as well as anyone had ever run. On ex-Ragozin he was 3-4 points slower than the Euros on the best figure of his life, compared to their repeated figures-- he was absolutely hopelessly slow, forget about price.

[miff]

JB
Very rare for a horse to get a big Rag fig when the horse is inside all the way, regardless of how the race comes vs other races at same distance that day.Noted this flaw way back when I began to convert Beyer/TG/Rags and it is fairly consistent.

Mike