Pletcher....keeneland

[touchgold]

4 wins from 9 starts....Have they adjusted to the new testing or does churchill derby weekend test different?

[Fairmount1]

His numbers at Keeneland last year weren\'t so bad.  At Churchill he posted ZERO wins.  Zero.  Two meets--Zero wins.  Don\'t let those on here let you believe he just doesn\'t point for any of the races there---he has five, maybe six going in one of their races on the first Saturday of May and three I believe in the ladies day race on the first Friday of May.  

I\'m not arguing magical, untestable drug like miff proclaims but at the same time....its obvious folks, this is a joke.  Something\'s not right.  This isn\'t just good ol hard work on the backside.  We all know it. But you were warned....Doc was just at his barn the other day.

[miff]

Yes, in Illinois too,\"doc\" must be omnipresent,TAP horse just ran away at Hawthorne.

[Fairmount1]

Just solid work ethic and training.

[miff]

No, fast horses!

[Lost Cause]

Miff, only two horses had legs in that race..The rest were pretty bad..

[miff]

Agree, no one looks at that, it\'s all about \"doc\"

[TGJB]

Okay, I\'m curious. We say he wins because something is going on, you say he wins for another reason. He wins and you somehow think that proves your point.

Explain reasoning please.

[Fairmount1]

It\'s funny miff.  You like to antagonize on this issue.

[miff]

Every year app 20-30 million worth of stock,usually 100 plus horses across all divisions, distances, all substantially correct, expensive,well bred,work well at training sales.Loses 75% of the time and I can name 10 trainers who would do just as well or better with those horses.

Now,you explain how with all of the above and with cheating on top, he loses at 75%.

[Fairmount1]

30,036 foals registered in 2010.  

20 spots in the Derby.

He gets five, maybe six there....umm, please miff.

[TGJB]

That would be another non-answer. I mean, if he lost you could as easily say it proved he wasn\'t doing something too, right?

[miff]

Has a few Derby entrants most years,only one once(Super Saver) must have been lax testing, that year only.

[miff]

Nice try,I just gave you common sense facts/reasons,you persist with same old nonsense/innuendo, zero facts.You win!

[TGJB]

You\'re right. Allday lied. He figured it would help his reputation to tell the Jockey Club he cheated.

And you\'re also right, Kentucky changed labs on a whim, and since then Pletcher has done exactly the same at CD as he did before.

And you\'re right, the guy who has first hand knowledge of the syringe found in NY and what was on it-- someone you almost certainly know-- is lying too. Because... hmmm. Can\'t see why he would.