Sighthound suspension

[TGJB]

You are two days and about 100 posts behind the curve here, so I\'m going to let that last paragraph go.

If you want to catch up find the Pletcher string, go to about 6:00 last night, and read every post. Some are more important than others.

[FrankD.]

Amen,

TGJB I\'ve not said much on this subject; for reasons that ARE NOT SO RECENT FOR ME!!!!

I\'m sickened by the state of our beloved sport and my wagering has declined accordingly. Comparatively speaking to some on this board I\'m a small player but once upon a time I would push 5-10k per day through the windows. Now even during my beloved Spa meet its 2-3k maxium.

Drugs have ruined the game; anyone who bets serious money on a daily basis would agree. NY is a complete joke with the winter inner track meet being completely un betable.

I\'m appalled by the blind, deaf and dumb who continually say nothing is going on or we are all conspiracy theorist. Those of us who pluck serious money down on a daily basis or used to know that the playing field is not level.

Look around san the program/batch bettors most guys I know focus on a couple of particular meets a year and take their shots. Trying to beat the take out, juice trainers, every day luck good or bad and 100\'s of other variables that figure into the toughest game in town.

I don\'t have to name trainers as I\'ve stated many times my opinion on several; the same names come up over and over again and the T-graph sheets measure ability over a period of time.

If anyone thinks this game is clean on a daily basis they are a complete idiot!!!!
I\'ve spent lot\'s of time on the backstretch, training tracks, with clockers, owners, trainers, jockeys, exercises riders, grooms et all !!!

Even in his hey day through the mid 80\'s Oscar Barrera was never a 30% trainer in NY. The juice trainers de jour at particular meets are winning at 30 or 40 % on hay and oats ??  REALLY !

Good luck,  

Frank D.

[vp612]

With all due respect,I don\'t own horses and I respect your knowledge about that aspect,but there are 20 trainers at least that are using something and if you don\'t realize it then you are afraid of reality.Let\'s take Ness and Navarro.Have you ever looked at a sheet of a horse they just claimed.You can\'t be serious.the horses literally explode 6,8 lengths faster.I am playing horses a very long time and it doesn\'t make sense.Moya at mommouth Maker ,Jacobson ,RRR, Zladie and on and on.Now you have the Baffert thing.What\'s next?

[Tavasco]

Sightsound,

For me, what you had to say was neither here nor there simply an opinion. However, how you expressed yourself came across as obnoxious, belligerent and angry. Frankly, you soured a community which is otherwise cooperative and respect full.

Consider.... a need to be right causes one to make others wrong! Most would rather win. i.e. Have success.

Your righteousness and behavior have been rejected. That is losing not winning.

Wake up! Alienation doesn\'t work. Here is a personal growth exercise that has worked for many before you - when people speak to you either kneel down or have them stand above you - miraculously.... you will be able to hear them.

My motivation is to save what\'s left of your life.

[dannyboy135]

vp612 Wrote:
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> What needs to be explained?Buy this
> product,ragozin,or look at the beyer numbers and
> see the way they jump when these guys claim a
> horse.You have to be blind not to see it.

Vito
    U misunderstood my post
1. I used rags until I converted to thorograph about 7 to 10 years ago
2. I see jump up numbers ( cheaters ) just like u
3. I don\'t see it as so pervasive

   But the point of my query was how do u identify the horses in the paddock

I\'m all for cleaning up racing but let\'s not throw the baby out with the bath water

[vp612]

I f you don\'t see it as persuasive then what is it?Guys winning at  30% clip, claim a horse,run him back in a week ,10,days and it\'s a different horse.Look no hard feelings we disagree,I think it is rampant you don\'t.

[Caradoc]

With all the respect your message references, are you serious?  You are out to save the life of \"Sightsound\"?  And recommend that because of what has transpired here that she prostrate herself before everyone that speaks to her?

TGJB, with all respect, there is more offensive in the post above -- its utter irrelevance to anything that should concern us here, its baseless condescension, its pure vapidity -- than anything Sight wrote.

[bellsbendboy]

Jb, Vito

I think its best, for me, to let sleeping dogs lie as far as this topic goes.

A few opinions;

Moving a horse up WITHOUT drugs is VERY rampant in the claiming game.

Many trainers have more client money than actual knowledge and they prove it day after day.  

Eighty plus percent of people reading this post, given time, lose money betting horses.

Lets move on.  bbb

[TGJB]

It\'s also one isolated post. We\'ve had everything from poetry to people telling their life stories here, I allow a little leeway.

Having said that, the kneeling thing is a little much...

[TGJB]

That was your idea of letting sleeping dogs lie?

[dannyboy135]

vp612 Wrote:
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> I f you don\'t see it as persuasive then what is
> it?Guys winning at  30% clip, claim a horse,run
> him back in a week ,10,days and it\'s a different
> horse.Look no hard feelings we disagree,I think it
> is rampant you don\'t.


Vito,
    The sheets ( rag r thoro ) make a very persuasive case that there r move up trainers who cheat!
    I don\'t find it to be Pervasive, only a select few and I\'m all for scrutinizing and testing them
     Appreciate and respect your opinion and enjoy your post on brand x. By the way the twin creeks owner and managers are very good friends and needle me to return
     All the best

[bellsbendboy]

Apologies.

Knick fan. Game started.

If not your board the losing percentage would have been much greater. bbb

[vp612]

Sorry I meant pervasive (gotta watch my spelling).We all have opinions and that\'s what this game is about.Who\'s going to win the derby,that\'s what I want to know.

[dannyboy135]

Disclaimer. Picking the derby winner hasn\'t been my forte. So while I\'m still open to works and seeing the horses in the am. I\'m an ORB man thus far

[bellsbendboy]

Veranzano is pounds the best colt Vito but has a trio of negatives, at least for me;

1) he raced at Tampa

2) No starts at Two

3) Was he hazing in the stretch, in the Wood?  If not: No chance.  If so long gone, especially with the new rules. bbb