Meanwhile...

[TGJB]

I haven\'t done figures yet, but I want to remind everyone there were three disparate levels of testing at CD over the last two days.

The Derby had OOC testing AND surveillance.

The Oaks had OOC testing and NO surveillance.

The other races had neither.

It is anybody\'s guess what they do in Baltimore. And anybody\'s guess what the public will know (or just \"know\").

But if the house horse is going for the TC, I would imagine it will be pretty tough for the Belmont.

[vp612]

Take it easy here ,he is going to have to come back in 2 weeks,personally I don\'t think he went forward and if he did he certainly will react in the Preakness.There will be some new shooters,fresher horses.Believe me,I will be looking to beat him.

[jbelfior]

Orb may be special, but I\'ll bet against a 5 race window for a 3 yo in the spring with both fists.

Good Luck
Joe B.

[jimbo66]

Vito

Can\'t blame anybody for wanting to attack him next time out, but u better find some new shooters.  

One of the very few derbies where I really can\'t find an excuse horse that I can\'t wait to bet back in the Preakness.

A premature move on Normandy invasion, which makes him ok next time.  Similar for oxbow.  But I don\'t want either of those horses against orb.  With apologies to my good friend tread head, that post u made yesterday about Verrazano was unintentionally funny.   That horse was 2 percent to run back in the Preakness off how awful he ran, before they said he got hurt or banged up.   This was one derby where all the wise guys were right.  Every person with an opinion seemed unanimous that Verrazano would run bad. He somehow even ran below those low expectations.  

Departing from the Illinois derby?

I don\'t know. This horse make have enough to break the long triple crown drought.  The combination of his ability and the seeming lack of challengers with credentials

U think shug is worried about huge can of shit code west waiting to attack in the Belmont

It may be Wayne Lukas defending the triple crown jinx with anything he can find that can run

Jim

[TreadHead]

No worries Jimbo, you gave me plenty of laughs as well this spring with your comments on the Louisiana horses, it\'s all in good fun.  

Horses running back off a first time mud terrible experience is something that happens all the time, and many of them do quite well.  I was not aware of the injury when I posted that, and not running him back in the Preakness is obviously the right thing to do for the horse, so no worries there.  If he ends up with some more serious injury and can\'t run again, so be it, but I still think he has shown a ton of talent and if ever able to put his best race together again on a certain day will not be able to be beat.

[jimbo66]

Tread,

There likely isn\'t a sum of money I wouldn\'t bet that Verrazano never wins a race beyond one mile.  First off, he may not run again, based on how some of these types have been handled in the past, and secondly, if he does, he isn\'t going long.  As many realized immediately after the Wood, when he could not draw off in that race, he was no distance horse.

in the \"old days\" with different connections, he would run back in the met mile, getting weight, and be formidable.

As for the Louisiana horses, I would not want any of them back in the next race.  I think the wet track helped both horses that came out of that race.  Both would be \"bet againsts\" for me.

Jim

[drbillym]

do we give goldencents another shot?

[TGJB]

Sheesh guys, anybody care what they ran?

[bellsbendboy]

Jim not sure what page you are on here when you post that \"many realized after the Wood he (verazano) was no distance horse\"?

Horses that win grade ones at nine furlongs are by definition able to get a distance. bbb

[badride123]

I think Departing is imminent danger to Orb in the Preakness.  IMLD didn\'t do too much running, if they brought him back he would be worth a look as well.

[vp612]

Let me put it this way if Orb went forward in the derby he regresses in the preakness.If he backed up in the derby (who knows)he backs up again with 2 weeks rest,that\'s the way I look at it.

[vp612]

I am with you plus 4 weeks rest.

[TGJB]

Orb is not the only horse who will get a number in the Derby. I\'m planning on giving out 19 of them.

[vp612]

I understand that but there will be plenty of dropouts.I think any horse coming back in 2 weeks is at a disadvantage and if there is someone coming into the race with a decent line that\'s who  i WILL play.

[TGJB]

I have taken that position and may again, but if you look at the last 30 or so runnings of the Preakness I would guess 20 have been won by horses coming back on 2 weeks rest.