Meanwhile...

[richiebee]

Uncle Frank:

Thanks for dropping me a post on the way to the ritirata. Don\'t forget to wash your hands!

Richiebee

(The \"Uncle Drew\" of the TG board)

[FrankD.]

Speed at the Hill Top and not as stringent testing gets him a double look for sure
if he is healthy?

Your point on development is a great case; again with a different trainer we probably would not be having this conversation. I don\'t want to come off as a Shug groupie but he\'s old school and the horse comes first before his ego and 15 minutes of fame.

[richiebee]

Vito:

You\'re half a Tgenerate now, a member of the crew. Uncle Len and Uncle Jake won\'t
mind. You can go in to the archive/ROTW and get all the Derby runner\'s #s...

You don\'t even have to crack the code...

If you are looking at how much Orb developed between 2 and 3, do you factor in the
fact that he ran without Lasix as a 2YO?

[moosepalm]

FrankD. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Uncle Richie,
>
> Please tell us another story; one before the
> internet and cell phone were invented
> please!!!!!!!!!
>
> LMAO
>
> Another avuncular moment for my cellmate.

You young guys crack me up.

[vp612]

I still use their product but that is not part of the discussion.Orb has made major development at 3 yrs old.Look Shug is a great trainer, everyone knows that but I am looking at numbers and patterns and they tell me he is backing up in his next race.

[gowand]

I think the Lasix issue is significant.  Shug mentioned it in a few different interviews and talked about how he does not like to use it but did use it with Orb.  Definitely could have affected his 2yo numbers.  Big jump 2nd Lasix.

[TGJB]

Yes, the lasix thing hasn\'t gotten enough attention. I would point out that the owners (who I respect from working with them on the drug stuff with the JC) are among those pushing to ban it.

Vito-- at the top of this page you can click on the ROTW section to see the Oaks/Derby day sheets, with the figures they ran.

[vp612]

Orb\'s numbers prove the point, he improved 6-1/2,then 3 points and paired that ,well that\'s 9-1/2 points and 2 weeks rest coming in and that equals bounce.I don\'t care who the trainer is.Now if you say that around 2-3 months time he can inch forward again that\'s okay ,not now.

[Flighted Iron]

\" I would point out that the owners (who I respect from working with them on the drug stuff with the JC) are among those pushing to ban it\".



Don\'t get that even a little bit. Like efforting to control aggressive driving, yet wanting to remove airbags from cars. Not to mention it\'s in the face of
SCIENCE.

[TGJB]

I\'m with you on this. One would hope what happened with this horse might change their minds.