Rosario

[alang]

not riding the early non-stakes portion of the card today.

[Lost Cause]

alang Wrote:
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> not the early non-stakes portion of the card
> today.


Just saw...he is taking off mounts in the non-stakes.  Everyone get your jock changes before betting..

[TGJB]

Yeah, it\'s exactly the same. Because we\'re saying there\'s no skill in either.

Rosario has Ron Anderson picking his mounts, and isn\'t on a lot of 20-1 shots. That\'s Anderson as in Bailey and Gomez.

[magicnight]

I\'m glad you took that one, \'cause I was just going to say something like it was the dumbest-ass post this year.

Just for fun, isn\'t that the same Ron Anderson who took Gary Stevens off Da Hoss in the 1998 BC Mile?

[P-Dub]

Lost Cause Wrote:
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> alang Wrote:
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> > not the early non-stakes portion of the card
> > today.
>
>
> Just saw...he is taking off mounts in the
> non-stakes.  Everyone get your jock changes before
> betting..

So after analyzing data, it matters who rides?? You guys put far too much into the jockey. Most of the time it doesn\'t matter.

[kekomi]

so why does a world class jockey on an unbelievably good winning streak, opt to keep a horse who hates having horses outside of him on the rail?

how was rosario the only person in the world who didn\'t know that orb hates being inside of horses?

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kekomi Wrote:
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> so why does a world class jockey on an
> unbelievably good winning streak, opt to keep a
> horse who hates having horses outside of him on
> the rail?
>
> how was rosario the only person in the world who
> didn\'t know that orb hates being inside of horses?


You\'re serious??

At what point in the race, breaking from the rail, did he have a chance to get this horse clear?? A jockey that everyone says is \"in the zone\", all of a sudden doesn\'t know what he\'s doing?

Slow pace, horses bunched to his outside. This board continually criticizes rides after the fact. I guess if you guys can criticize someone who has won more BC races than any other jockey, then there isn\'t anyone who is off limits. Including Rosario.

I would love to hear you describe the point in the race where Rosario was supposed to get this horse, breaking from the 1 hole with a pedestrian pace, to the outside.

[TGJB]

It\'s irrelevant. The horse didn\'t fire.

[high roller]

I agree - Watched the replay closely - Had he drew post 9 he would have run much better - but he didn\'t fire today.

[kekomi]

besides taking back right from the start and angling out like JV did on orb in the FOY--he had a clear path at 0.36 seconds into the replay. the opening was there for awhile, but rosario didn\'t take it, and then found himself trapped behind goldencents with titletowfive cutting off the rail and IMLD cutting off the outside, so he makes the worst decision i\'ve seen a jockey make in a long time,he backed orb out (1:11 on the replay).

once you commit, commit, and let the chips fall where they may. rosario rode orb today, like those drivers who commit to running the yellow light, then wuss out and slam their breaks on at the last minute.

my problem isn\'t with rosario having a great run, my problem is that everyone knew what the fear about the one post with orb was--but he chose to ignore it.

but if that\'s not how you saw it, that\'s fine--i didn\'t mean to cast aspersions on your best friend...

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TGJB Wrote:
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> It\'s irrelevant. The horse didn\'t fire.


My point exactly JB.  Vito was right.

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kekomi Wrote:
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> besides taking back right from the start and
> angling out like JV did on orb in the FOY--he had
> a clear path at 0.36 seconds into the replay. the
> opening was there for awhile, but rosario didn\'t
> take it, and then found himself trapped behind
> goldencents with titletowfive cutting off the rail
> and IMLD cutting off the outside, so he makes the
> worst decision i\'ve seen a jockey make in a long
> time,he backed orb out (1:11 on the replay).
>
> once you commit, commit, and let the chips fall
> where they may. rosario rode orb today, like those
> drivers who commit to running the yellow light,
> then wuss out and slam their breaks on at the last
> minute.
>
> my problem isn\'t with rosario having a great run,
> my problem is that everyone knew what the fear
> about the one post with orb was--but he chose to
> ignore it.
>
> but if that\'s not how you saw it, that\'s fine--i
> didn\'t mean to cast aspersions on your best
> friend...

Rosario isn\'t my best friend.

I don\'t know what replay you were watching, but at no point during that race did he have the opportunity to get clear. Unless stomping on the breaks to last and jerking your horse to the outside of everyone is your idea of a winning ride.

You say he backed Orb out.  Again, how do you know this?? That horse was empty today, Eddie Arcaro could have returned from the grave and Orb wouldn\'t have won today.

What makes you think he ignored it??  Sometimes circumstances prohibit you from doing what you want.

[kekomi]

irrelevant, you really think that? if you take a horse out of its comfort zone, not firing should be sort of expected. horses are a lot like people with aspergers...it was completely unnecessary, the path was there--and then if orb still \"doesn\'t fire\" oh well, too bad ,so sad...

but anywho, i disagree that orb didn\'t fire, he re-rallied in the stretch after having fallen back to 7th or 8th, but it was too late. the horses that didn\'t fire were govenor charlie & will take charge...the horse that fired and fizzled was departing

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kekomi Wrote:
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> irrelevant, you really think that? if you take a
> horse out of its comfort zone, not firing should
> be sort of expected. horses are a lot like people
> with aspergers...it was completely unnecessary,
> the path was there--and then if orb still \"doesn\'t
> fire\" oh well, too bad ,so sad...
>
> but anywho, i disagree that orb didn\'t fire, he
> re-rallied in the stretch after having fallen back
> to 7th or 8th, but it was too late. the horses
> that didn\'t fire were govenor charlie & will take
> charge...the horse that fired and fizzled was
> departing

I don\'t know if he re-rallied, his lengths behind at the 3/4 mark is 5 1/2 lengths.  The stretch call he\'s behind 9 lengths, at the finish he\'s 9 lengths.

He passed 2 horses after the stretch call, and didn\'t make up any lengths according to the chart.

Thats not re-rallying, thats passing horses that have given up or had no shot.

[mdspwt1]

I think there is no riding challenge greater than being on a closer breaking from the 1 hole. Those who have displayed the skill consistently over the years have been the seasoned masters of the craft of riding. Not a knock on Joel\'s youth, He is a great rider, but it was a tall task he had before him. The greats drop back, stay patient then decide, up the rail or outside......and then they fire and let the cards fall. If they get there great, if not, they gave the horse his best chance. JR, a 1/4 into this race was already trying to wedge this horse off the rail, and as we know, with half the race still to run, he put him in not just a bad spot, but a terrible spot.

Agree with JB, in the end the horse didn\'t fire. But at the half he sure looked like he was firing until hitting a LA Thunderbird jam..