Hasslefree

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Rebates are fine. Many more days like Saturday and I\'ll be searching for the best Rebate deal I can get...lol

But as disappointing a day as I had there is a guy on a tougher streak. He use to dominate this game with younger horses the way Frankel is dominating now with older ones. I\'m speaking of Mr. Unabashed Self Promoter, Mr. Sunglasses himself D.Wayne. Something\'s happened though to deprive him of his stock. Essentially its two things. Horses have gotten expensive again and the people buying them many times are not his clients. Many of the people that used to be his clients wised up to his \"crank down\" on the batch and see which ones emerge technique. He\'s just not getting the cream of the crop anymore and thats good for the game. He must not be in on the latest cheating methods either or perhaps he has something against EPO. \"Residual Value\" is a phrase he likes to toss about and theres not much residual value in a dead horse. Oh sure the Lewis\'s still send him a couple and he\'s garnered a couple of new clients, but he\'s not in the big leagues regarding purchases anymore and its killing him.

I glanced at his Hasslefree in the San Rafael, quickly dismissed him and moved on missing his current statistics. Hasslefree a 425K yearling buy has earned back 100K. He was the second longest price in the race and finished dead last. He\'s never gonna win his costs back. Maybe they can syndicate him in Guam for $50 bucks a share. But what gave me a very warm and fuzzy feeling was the stat sheet when I looked it over. I feel like I\'m in a comfortable happy place and its not the strawberry margaritas.

D. Wayne Lukas:
Meet: (57 0-6-3)
Year:  77 4

This is the same guy that ran his last Derby winner for a Tag. The man is not a horseman, never has been. He\'s got Azeri now, who wants to take bets on whether she even starts?

lol

CtC

[shanahan]

have to agree...it\'s over.  Just wondering - have you noticed how the big trainers of 5-10 yrs ago haven\'t done anything after they got married?  Lukas, Baffert...is Frankel next?

[Silver Charm]

To call this man a non-horseman is like me calling you or any of the others on this Board non-handicappers. His records speak for themselves and he certainly doesn\'t need me to defend him (though I will).

As far as his current record goes the answer is quite simple, he doesn\'t have the horses to compete. He has lost clients and own self-confidence in the Satish Sanan partnership turned out to be the worst thing to happen to him and was certainly not good for Sanans pocket book.

Sanan like any other big spending owner should have used a middleman agent instead of Wayne. Wayne when it comes to buying horses is like you or me being put in a room full of beautiful naked women (maybe men for you)--he is going to want them all, not just a couple. When he blew big bucks for Sanan others saw what happened and have stayed away. Other clients downsized, few new ones came onboard, and your left with very little to work with.

The media has been generous to Wayne in this downcycle. However, I do find it interesting how often some members of the media would chronicle the number of bad yearly buys he would make and now that THEIR GUY BAFFERT has probably blown thru about 75 MILLION worth of horseflesh (placing a value on homebreads) in the last three years, they have selective memory loss.

When look at the Stallions he has produced (how about Grand Slam currently) the Stakes Wins, Training Titles, Money Earned, Top Quality Assistants, etc, none of these others guys even belong in the same room.
Every day these guys wake up and go to work they are trying to get to where Wayne has already been in terms of accomplishment and achievement.

In our own respective professions the same standard holds true.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

How many horses has Mr. Lukas given time for ailments and got them back to the races?

How many horses has Mr. Lukas had with off the pace running styles?

How many times, despite having the best bloodstock, has Lukas completely surprised himself in which one of his multiple entries won a race and I don\'t mean the Derby?

How many other true horseman ran their Kentucky Derby winners for a tag?

Here are Lukas Derby Starters:

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2003/derby_history/derby_charts/trainers/386.html


Heres some starters from a true horseman:

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2003/derby_history/derby_charts/trainers/332.html


I could cite almost any Derby winning trainer for better horsemanship than this guy.

I could do as well at the sales merely by bidding on the high bid horses. I will grant that Baffert has burned through some big money lately. But he did win the race two years ago.

Now, I have a Louisana Derby to win.

Oh yes, the Lukas assistants. I think its fairly obvious that back in the oh mid to late eighties, even early nineties Lukas was the ticket if you wanted to get in and get out on your own. He had a big, far flung operation and he had the best horses. I\'m not certain I agree theres a slew of top trainers out there who were Lukas assistants and those couple that are top are you saying they learned everything from Lukas? I don\'t believe that, I think the few top guys took from Lukas opportunity and left him contemplating a return to basketball.

As far as the sales go, if you\'re a horseman you have an eye for the way a horse is put together and the way the horse handles himself. You also have regard for pedigree. You may remember Lukas passed on Thunder Gulch at the sales (actually scratched his name off in the cataloge) and only inherited him later. When I walk into a room of beautiful naked women, I don\'t go ape shit and lose my composure, because I\'ve been there before and expect to be there again. Besides, when I\'m in that room I KNOW which is the most beautiful. I don\'t have to guess.

As far as the successful stallions go, I think if you train that many expensive horses you\'re gonna come up with a few stallions. I don\'t think theres any more skill in that than in the Lukas technique.

Lets see what else...oh yes, What were you saying about Baffert?



CtC



Post Edited (03-07-04 17:47)

[bdhsheets]

Like him or not, the man man has won 500+ Graded Stakes races. 500 GRADED STAKES!!! Thats more races than many trainers will ever win in a lifetime. 17 BC wins!

I honestly don\'t enjoy defending the Lukas, but give the devil his due.

Do any of you believe for a moment that the Master Blaster would\'ve allowed tremendous efforts by Swingforthefences or Eddington to be wasted in entry level allowance races. I think not. They\'d been running in stakes, no doubt whatsoever.

[slakboy]

>>How many other true horseman ran their >>Kentucky Derby winners for a tag?How many >>other true horseman ran their Kentucky >>Derby winners for a tag?

Which Derby winner ran for tag?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Charismatic ran for a tag pre derby. I think theres been gelded Kentucky Derby winners to run for a tag post derby in the old days.

My point was that two of his Derby winners Lukas didn\'t want, the other two surprised him. I told some friends the year Grindstone won he was by far Lukas\'s best horse. He would have been 20-1 without being coupled with Editors Note. Lukas had no clue. He never does.

I\'m still excited about the La. Derby. The fig is gonna be intersting. One thing is clear there is now a horse to rival those in the East and Mike Watchmaker who stated Wimbledon was a \"caver\" needs to be more careful.

Rumor has it that TGJB and Derby1592 are selling their Future bets to Fire Slam and Shaniko respectively for $2 shares that return 75-1.    Seriously, Shaniko is done, but Fire Slam was too close to burning fractions. He can\'t be ruled out yet.

You gotta be happy for McIngvale too. He\'s poured money into the game and not really come up with a good one that I can recall. The one year he was stocked Zito broke the whole stable down at Hallandale.

One other point, this horse is a Wild Rush out of a Darn that Alarm mare....who really thinks Lukas could see that?  Be honest and wish him a speedy bums rush.

lol

CtC

[Silver Charm]

Yes Wimbleton looked good winning the La Derby, came from off the pace encountered some traffic and beat absolutely nothing.

Keep in mind the horse who dusted him two back ran a decent fourth in the San Rafael while being five wide all the way around the track.

Seeing as how Team Animal House still has Gettindrunkandpukkinatthebar we have a lot to look forward to. Crushed beer cans up the side of the head, moon shots in the winners circle and best of all his Bubble Gum poppin homewrecking/golddigging wife Sable.

Give me a class act like Rick Violette any day of the week. You wait and see he has two horses better than BOTH OF BAFFERTS RUNNERS and will receive about 1/10th the publicity.

[shanahan]

I\'m with you on Vilette..he deserves his day inthe sun.  As for McInvale, a real class act who loves the game...maybe too much.  Correct - he pours money into it, is a relentless worker for just about every good thing that happens in all phases of life...go Mattress Mac!

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

LMAO

First of all, I think there was some talent in that La. Derby. Certainly as much as there was in the San Rafael.

Rick Flair won the Derby and almost the Triple Crown in 97 and 98 with respectively 70K and 17K purchases. In 96 he almost beat Tagg to the Non Bluegrass Gelded Derby winner. Only a whip lash to the nose and Grindstone not bearing out farther due to his gimpness saved the day for \"Da Coach\". Not sure another trainer would have ran Grindstone that day. He never ran again. Rick Flair also won 2/3\'s of the Triple in 01 and 02. Its a tough series to take. But I loved you\'re story...lol

I can tell you\'re somewhat concerned about Preachinatthebar. I would be too if I was a Baffert Basher. I think a change of surface is gonna suit him. If he\'s weak its in the dam-sire part of his pedigree.

As for the bubble blowing wife, I don\'t hold chewing gum idiosyncrasies against a woman. If shes got the gum, she might as well blow bubbles. Where I draw the line is the cheap ones that let the bubble pop on their cheeks and are tacky enough to dab at it with the wad from their mouth and then plop the whole shebang back in again. But I gotta admit, I find a little eroticism in it. The only ones that don\'t dig gold past 40 are those that never had a prospector to begin with.

I like the visual image of the silver haired Rick Flair leading his two silver haired gladiators into the colesium as the crowd roars. His seductively clad wife draped upon his shoulder, blowing sweet nothings into his ear and him confidently bellowing back. \"I\'ve got the perfecta baby...I\'ve got the perfecta.\"  and \"please keep the bubble yum outta my ear\".

CtC



Post Edited (03-07-04 20:43)

[Silver Charm]

Today is only March 7th and no one has the Perfecta in the Derby.

Not even The Great One.(hint,hint)

You sharp enough to realize that.