A 97 beyer. And late money.

[Breakage]

LMAO

[TGJB]

That\'s interesting.

[kekomi]

looking at the official chart, without considering the time, the race was run like a classic fast where the speed collapsed

2nd place went to a horse 18th at the half, 17th at the 3/4, & 11th at the mile
3rd place went to a horse 9th at the 1/2, 8th at the 3/4, & 5th at the mile
4th place went to a horse 12th the half, 11th at the 3/4, & 10th at the mile

with the exception of chrome, the leaders for most of the race finished 9th and 14th

also the only horse in the top 7 trained by a big time trainer was danza

the 3/4 split was respectable, i\'d say two things were going on--that there was definitely a strong head wind in the stretch and that the doping protocals worked this year.

head winds are a nightmare and their effect increases with the size of the object and the speed it\'s traveling.

in cycling, head winds can only be countered by riding in echelon. if you lose the wheel if the rider in front of you, you can drop 50-60 yards in less than a minute.

beyer gave a huge number to verazano in the haskel for the slowest haskel in 40 years won against a lame horse and claimers on a dead air day. he was a huge supported of verrazano. chrome ran just as dominate a race at a longer distance against better horses on a day with acknowledged strong winds, but beyer wasnt on chrome\'s bandwagon and picked againt him in the derby

just saying

[kekomi]

on second thought, i\'d say they were running into strong cross winds for most of the race

crosswinds are even worse than headwinds, and would explain why no one seems to be able to agree on what direction the wind was blowing and why the worst efforts occurred in both stretches with decent efforts around each turn

ps: I dont have a dog in this fight. I watched the derby just like most of america, without a clue about the horses running in it.

after the baffert thyroid thing came out last fall, I couldnt stomach to continue to follow a sport as dirty as the one I left, esp. when those being doped weren\'t making the choice to jeapordize their health to cheat. but after peta\'s thing came out I was curious to see how many of last years two year olds made it to the ky derby contenders. ..almost none, I\'d lay a pretty sizable bet that if you checked thoses feet, they\'d be crap and no one wanted to risk the spot light.

the most damning thing about the peta tape wasnt the legal doping it was the nero footage and the fact that everyone of asmusens employees jept saying how much the hated these mother---ing horses and that there was always something f---ing wrong with them.

asmusen\'s costas denial was exactly like Armstrong\'s, I havent been sanctioned ergo im clean. he didnt even say how discussed he was with what was said and shown regarding nero.

[vagrant]

It was a crosswind and gusty, not consistent. When it kicked up, it kicked hard. Definitely would have caused appreciable wind resistance on both stretches.

An hour after the race, the wind was gone.

[smalltimer]

Nice language.
I think for Asmussen the bigger problem isn\'t PETA.
I\'ve always been made to believe that hiring undocumented workers and manufacturing SSAN\'s can be real punitive if they want it to be.
I\'m done of the that fiasco.

[miff]

Turns out that Beyer did adjust the derby figure,97, upwards by app 3 lengths, 6 Beyer points.Guess that\'s about as subjective as it can be,i.e.how much did the wind affect the time of the race and the fig.If you break the race out and go off the horses, maybe you get a less subjective fig in this case.

[Michael D.]

miff Wrote:
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> Turns out that Beyer did adjust the derby
> figure,97, upwards by app 3 lengths, 6 Beyer
> points.Guess that\'s about as subjective as it can
> be,i.e.how much did the wind affect the time of
> the race and the fig.If you break the race out and
> go off the horses, maybe you get a less subjective
> fig in this case.



nearly impossible to rate. a bunch of collapsing colts (CCur the only one with a sub :13 final 1/8) and wind that is very difficult to factor. I\'ll just go with my own eyes on this one.

[kekomi]

the language wasnt mine,  i was quoting what was said on the tapes by blasi--did you watch it? if you dont like the language thinking it was mine, you should be outraged that it came out of blasi\'s mouth, in about every other word he uttered

if nbc had aired the tape, asmusen would be in jail right now and racing would be facing the wrath of the american public for animal abuse. it was irresponsible not to run the the tape given they devoted significant air time replaying asmusen\'s redemption interview.

animal abuse is a crime in all fifty states with jail time...running a horse with severe hoof problems is animal abuse and if a non-industry vet had seen nero\'s condition, he would have been bound by law to report it...the industry vets are too but...

you\'re attitude regarding the welfare of the horses is exactly why I walked away. im ashamed I watched the derby. I said I wouldnt but like an addict I couldnt stop myself

ps: if you\'re done with it why even respond?

[heatherk]

And I thought \"you did\'nt have a dog in the fight\". Sounds like PETA\'s your dog.

[smalltimer]

I watched the video and I heard what Blasi said. His language was disgusting.
We\'re not going to see, NBC or any of the major networks air that type of video.  If you think they should have, then you\'re dreaming.

The public wrath is not gonna be grounds for Asmussen to be in jail, it would likely take an actual offense to have occurred that showed Asmussen committing animal cruel.

Your beef should be directed at the powers in charge of the conduct of rule/law breaking trainers and vets in the industry.

Regarding, as you say, \"my attitude regarding the welfare of the horses is exactly why you walked away.\" Since you or I have never met or had a conversation your comment speaks to your anger.

Its unfortunate you were ashamed that you watched the Derby. I would love to hear the \"real\" reason you watched the Derby.

I\'m sorry you feel like you are like an addict and unable to control your compulsion to watch the race.  I\'m sad to say I personally have friends who are alcoholics. When they ask me what they should do, my suggestion to them is to not go in bars. Perhaps you might start to control your addiction if you chose to not visit a horseracing forum?  

Look, I\'m not looking for a distasteful argument in this public forum, I think it shows great disrespect to TGJB and the other guys in the room. TGJB is only gonna let us go so far before he issues a legitimate stoppage of this nonsense. If you still feel like you need to unload on someone, feel free to send me a Person to Person and I\'ll be glad to mix it up with you there.
Did you play the race?

[Fairmount1]

DRF\'s Jay Privman:

California Chrome ran the 1 1/4 miles in 2:03.66 and got a Beyer Speed Figure of 97, which would be the lowest winning figure in the Derby since Beyer first compiled them in 1989. But the number may end up better than that, with the difficulty of making a precise figure made challenging by the unusually long delay between the Turf Classic and the Derby. More than an hour passed between those races, and more than two hours passed between the Derby and the prior dirt race. The track was not watered after the walkover, so the surface likely was far drier for the Derby than any other main-track race on Saturday.

If that 97 figure holds, it would mean that eight of the first nine finishers all regressed off their prior race, with only runner-up Commanding Curve improving.

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RIDE ON CURLIN

Billy Gowan, the trainer of Ride On Curlin, said the Preakness is a go, and that Joel Rosario would replace Calvin Borel in the saddle.

“Hopefully, he’ll listen to me,” Gowan said of Rosario. “Most of them don’t want to listen to you, they know best. If he listens to what I tell him, we’ll win the Preakness.”

Gowan said he told Borel to break good and get some position. “He was six lengths off the last horse in a half in 48,” Gowan said. “I wanted to throw up when they came by me the first time. I didn’t tell him to take a left-hand turn coming out of there.”

[Tavasco]

Well said and appreciated.

[pizzalove]

Whatever the headwind was other horses ran faster all day.  This was a race where the rail was obviously very fast and the track was fast.  the new york and florida speed horses were maybe very overrated.  I thought the pace was extremely soft based on how horses ran earlier.  Even with the supposed wind factor there were no fast splits in this race.  California Chrome got handed this one and will come no where near a triple crown.  97 beyer here was a couple points higher then I thought.  Doubt there is a big TG fig here either.

I thought the Bluegrass horses ran ok.  I felt Medal Count could of easily got second or at least third had Danza not cut him off so severely.  Thought he would get taken down.  What was he doing in the stretch?

I think the scratch of Pablo may have really played a big role on how this race was run.  Maybe also Candy Boy may have been the best horse.  Have to see how he does the next race.  I thought Stevens screwed this up.  Had a chance to cut in much earlier.

[Gerard]

I saw some comments that DWF was somewhat impeded by Danza as well, but it appeared to me he was mostly clear on the outside? Anyone see anything different? Played DWF/MC exactas and left the race alone other than that. Now hoping for Cali Chorme follow up in Baltimore as another poster stated, so the Belmont will make for a real nice opportunity. Don\'t think he wins in Baltimore though, he was clear, but he looked worse for the wear at the wire.