Nasal Strips

[jerry]

Because it\'s a stupid rule.

[jerry]

Big leap there.

[P-Dub]

TGJB Wrote:
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> If they have refused to let horses wear them in
> the past and do now, they might as well stop
> regulating this game entirely.


Rules are changed in all sports. Putting the goal posts in the back of the end zone hasn\'t been a bad thing.

If all teams did this but one, what would you say about that team??

This is a silly rule, made by 1 jurisdiction. You\'re saying Nasal Strips are comparable to allowing all of the various medications used throughout the country??  If they allow Nasal Strips, then lets just open up the medicine chest and let trainers do whatever they want??

Every jurisdiction allows it but one. Changing your rule to comply with what every other jurisdiction allows doesn\'t mean we have turned racing into the Wild West.

[TGJB]

Given the way you\'ve been acting here recently I\'m going to guess you\'re missing the point I made intentionally. Regardless, you want to give it a rest for a while.

On the larger issue, which was NOT the point I was making, it\'s either a performance enhancer or it isn\'t. If it raises horses ceilings it should be banned, if not they don\'t need it. And no, it\'s not like Lasix-- which is being abused, but which definitely has a therapeutic value in some cases.

[kekomi]

You\'re right that the strips aren\'t like lasix but 100% backwards as to why. all the strips do is help to keep the nasal passage open. they are exactly the same as the kind made for people to prevent snoring. you can test them yourself, just go to walgreens and buy a pack. also unlike lasix they have no ill effects on the horse.

usada and wada allow nasal strips for all human athletes, but not diuretics, like lasix. they wouldn\'t allow them if they were performance enhancers. the crap that is legal in horse racing is universally banned in human competition, which should put debate about their use in racing to bed.

lasix improves the power to weight ratio, which is a huge performance enhancment (we talked about this here). we learned last year that it also  buffers lactic acid, which is a huge performance enhancement (we talked about this here). And diuretics are still the main method of masking other drugs, which is a huge performance enhancer. lasix also has some pretty evil side effects. it\'s a human drug, so its not hard to find someone on it. ask them if they enjoy how it makes them feel. ask them if they\'d like to go run their hearts out on it.

the strip is in plain sight, you can\'t hide it like any other \"performance enhancers.\" there is no way the strip has made him better than other horses, though it may have helped him to run more comfortably,  which may have made his performance slightly better vis a vis his own performances. in a field of horses on epo, freaking out over nasal strips is like freaking out about have a cold in the onocolgy ward.

he started his career on poly surfaces, almost all of his 2 year old races, ifrc, were on ploy tracks. his career improved once he moved to dirt. that probably had a much greater impact than the strips. the strips are routine in most other equestrian sports, and are cheap. if they were a magic bullet, everyone would use them.

the therapuetic value of lasix cannot out weigh the side effects of its use. ive posted them here before. they are easy to find. just google it. it leeches calcium and potasium, and causes dehydration. you dont have to be a doctor to understand the black box warnings on the packages.

you\'re fighting the good fight, but your opinion on this is not a good fight.

todd pletchers figure 8 halters that he uses universally are certainly unncessary for the majority of his horses and most horses perform worse wearing one...

[P-Dub]

TGJB Wrote:
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> Given the way you\'ve been acting here recently I\'m
> going to guess you\'re missing the point I made
> intentionally. Regardless, you want to give it a
> rest for a while.
>
> On the larger issue, which was NOT the point I was
> making, it\'s either a performance enhancer or it
> isn\'t. If it raises horses ceilings it should be
> banned, if not they don\'t need it. And no, it\'s
> not like Lasix-- which is being abused, but which
> definitely has a therapeutic value in some cases.

The way I\'ve been acting recently?? Seriously??

You\'ve got guys foaming at the mouth, taking posts out of context.

But its me who needs to give it a rest.

Your point was public disclosure. I get it.

Which post(s) didn\'t you care for??  The one where I called out a loud mouth who also missed the point??  Endorsing Kerry Thomas??

[joemama]

I agree , then open up the medicine chest.  But not right now.  How bout everyone get a advance notice so all when know when the new rules will be implemented , like in the other sports.  Let\'s say the new rule or rule change goes into effect 1 January 2015.

[richiebee]

kekomi Wrote:
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> todd pletchers figure 8 halters that he uses
> universally are certainly unncessary for the
> majority of his horses and most horses perform
> worse wearing one...


Kekomi:

First of all, lets straighten out the terminology: We\'re talking about a
\"bridle\", not a \"halter\".

Secondly, what most of TAP\'s runners wear is not a traditional \"figure 8\",
which is a separate piece of equipment added in addition to a conventional
bridle. The traditional figure 8 was two straps which crossed over the horse\'s
snout in an \"x\" or \"eight\" pattern.

The bridle most of TAP\'s runners seem to wear is merely a noseband or shadow
roll fastened to the bridle by a small strip of leather or nylon, basically
turning two pieces of equipment into one. The next time I see Bad Luck Bennie
the Exercise Rider I will try to get more info on this equipment.

Since we have a Triple Crown bid in progress we will likely see pictures of
the Brilliant! Seattle Slew, who sported a not commonly used piece of
equipment called the \"sure win\", a rubber bit holder which, like the figure 8,
gives the rider better control of his/her mount.

[joemama]

Better make that 96 percent, How bout 97 percent, do I hear 98 percent, I say bartender make that 99 percent and I won\'t feel a thing at all.  Reminds me of a song I once heard.  

Your absolutely right .  I hadn\'t even thought of of those types of changes. More proof of why I shouldn\'t be in this game.

[MonmouthGuy]

\"He\'s gonna be able to wear it.\"

Is that the rumour on the Zenyatta/CC fanboy page?

[moosepalm]

1) This is just one more example of the game shooting itself in the foot.  The lack of uniformity of policies and regulations is not a quirky characteristic that adds charm to the game.  I know it won\'t change, and I know why, but it gives sports bettors and casino players one more reason to say, \"Glad I don\'t have to deal with that.\"

2) New York needs to come out with a clear statement as to why exactly this is proscribed behavior.  Or s__tcan the whole regulation.

3) If this is a \"performance enhancing\" tool, that does not make it a bad thing.  Many forms of equipment, supplements, etc. enhance performance.  There should be clear lines as to what is acceptable and what isn\'t, but more importantly, \"why.\"

4) If NY maintains the prohibition, but allows Chrome to run, it\'s a bad precedent, but in a business where inconsistency of policies and procedures rules the day, this is not the time to start worrying about the Marquis of Queensbury rules.  They can start doing that on June 8.  Meanwhile, figure out how to put some P.R. lipstick on the pig, and get the horse on the track.

[miff]

Very interesting tidbit,just heard. Former famous/infamous NYS Steward Carmine D\'Onfrio was the one who pulled the plug on the nasal strip and refused to discuss the matter with the inventor Dr.Chiapetta for a long time.

Seems D\'Onfrio would only consider it if lasix was banned.DR. Chiapetta claimed it also enhanced breathing while horses are under stress as it holds up collapsing nasal tissue.

Anyhow,D\'Onfrio now gone,a new Steward there. Maybe a different outcome.

Mike

[miff]

Joe Drape:

California Chrome fans can breathe easy: New York regulators are expected to allow Chrome, the Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner, to wear his nasal strip in the Belmont Stakes, where he will try to become only the 12th horse to sweep the Triple Crown.

Scott Palmer, the equine medical director for the New York State Gaming Commission, instructed state stewards to discontinue their ban on the 4-by-6-inch adhesive patch — similar to the Breathe Right strips worn by N.F.L. players and chronic snorers, — which is designed to ease breathing by decreasing upper-airway nasal resistance.

It is legal in most jurisdictions, and California Chrome has been wearing one since Perry Martin, one of his owners, suggested he try one after the colt finished sixth last fall in a stakes race. California Chrome has won six straight races since the white patch went on his white blaze.

[magicnight]

Ah, so great minds DO think alike. Here\'s another hard-hitting essay on the questions of the day. Thanks to JB for the space!

http://around2turns.com/2014/05/19/breathless/

[toppled]

Alan Sherman said on Byk\'s program that the strip has been approved by NYRA.