Nasal Strips

[miff]

Since approved in NY, Gary Contessa used nasal strip on 3 horses,all won.NYRA looking at Nasal Strip on equipment change.James Jerkens thinking of using on Wicked Strong in Belmont.

JB, is Equibase download showing nasal strip added?

[Michael D.]

Mike, what did the 3 Contessa horses pay to win?

[sekrah]

One was a $60 bomber on Thursday, but he didn\'t have any winners in the last 2 days (10 mounts) who knows.

[miff]

Mike,

Not sure what Contessa horses paid but think in the long run, it will all be a wash.Out in Cali, some very sharp trainers abandoned the use of the nasal strip after feeling there was no benefit.

As long as \"they\" start to announce/post nasal strip on/off, it should be easy to track.

Mike

[sekrah]

I suspect some horses it\'ll help a little bit, some it\'ll make no difference.  It\'s not some super enhancer.

I think shoes are a much bigger factor.

[Boscar Obarra]

well, contessa was doing quite well before the strips.

 they should be reported this just on principle.

[TGJB]

We\'re tying to find out about the nasal strip info. What a s--t show.

[miff]

NYSGC and NYRA aware, some rule will probably come from the Stewards who are responsible in NY for all equipment changes.

[smalltimer]

I\'m doing a prelim here using Contessa as the example.
He won on 5/23 going 1M at 20K claimer and won and paid about 20.00, the horse had been claimed 5/1/14 from D. Jacobson for 12.5K after running 5th that race. The horse is back in today (8 days later) going a mile for 16K.
His horse Regulus ran on 5/17/14 6f at 40K claimers.   He returned 7 days later on 524/14 and won a 7f for 25K.
He won on 5/29/14 with Ode to Sami after taking over the horse from Tony Pecoraro at Lrl on 10/14/13 or so.
I don\'t see  any designation in any of the racing past performances that I use, nor is there anything on the result charts prior to or after a race with the strip on.
Only place I see a designation \"y\" is Golden Gate and I don\'t even know what \"y\" is a symbol for.
Other than the Belmont Stakes, I can\'t play the NY circuit unless and until they can denote that info \"before\" the fact.  My exceptions might be on a horse taken over by Contessa after the date the strips were being allowed.  But, still just a guess at that point.
What a cluster...

[Beau]

Mike,

NYRA can\'t even announce first time gelding which I see as a very good angle.

Yesterday on twitter Dave Grenning reported after the race (of course) that the winner of the 8th race was a first time gelding but on NYRA\'s scratch / change menu they didn\'t have anything noted. It\'s unbelievable!

[TMW]

smalltimer Wrote:
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> I\'m doing a prelim here using Contessa as the
> example.
> He won on 5/23 going 1M at 20K claimer and won and
> paid about 20.00, the horse had been claimed
> 5/1/14 from D. Jacobson for 12.5K after running
> 5th that race. The horse is back in today (8 days
> later) going a mile for 16K.
> His horse Regulus ran on 5/17/14 6f at 40K
> claimers.   He returned 7 days later on 524/14 and
> won a 7f for 25K.
> He won on 5/29/14 with Ode to Sami after taking
> over the horse from Tony Pecoraro at Lrl on
> 10/14/13 or so.
> I don\'t see  any designation in any of the racing
> past performances that I use, nor is there
> anything on the result charts prior to or after a
> race with the strip on.
> Only place I see a designation \"y\" is Golden Gate
> and I don\'t even know what \"y\" is a symbol for.
> Other than the Belmont Stakes, I can\'t play the NY
> circuit unless and until they can denote that info
> \"before\" the fact.  My exceptions might be on a
> horse taken over by Contessa after the date the
> strips were being allowed.  But, still just a
> guess at that point.
> What a cluster...


According to Equibase, \"Y\" is an equipment change -- no shoes. (I, for one, will ignore all of this stuff in my handicapping. Weighting all of the classic handicapping factors in importance -- distance, surface, first time gelding, time between races, performance figures, trainer changes, on and on... is tough enough).

[miff]

There is almost no acknowledgement that the players even exist. No rule change like this should be promulgated without arrangements put in place to notify the players in some way prior to the days races.

[smalltimer]

thank you sir.

[TGJB]

And that\'s the effin point, that none of this is about the players, when it all should be. Football and the Olympics take things a lot more seriously, and they don\'t even depend on betting.

An entire industry is going in the crapper and they can\'t figure out customers matter.

People bet when they have an opinion. The weaker your opinion is the less you bet. That\'s why I had them put that question in the Jockey Club drug survey, I thought it might get someone\'s attention, out of self interest.

What was I thinking.

[smalltimer]

Players should have all information available to them, then they can make informed decisions and wager on their opinion.
How do they expect a site like TG to produce the very best numbers possible if not all info is available to them?  Symbols like bo, bi, tu, etc all play a part in the decision to play a horse or not.
IF the information on Chrome back in December indicated that he had a shoe change and an added nasal strip and THEN the horse jumped up and continued to run great at least there would be reasons to think he might just keep on running well.
When changes are made to a horse and the handicappers are unaware of it and then the horse wins and you find out LATER, that\'s what pisses me off.  
In other words, put the info out there and if I make a poor decision that\'s just too bad for me.
JB, you are exactly right.  The more guesswork there is the weaker the opinion the smaller the wagering dollars.  
I think sekrah, or someone on the board said the strip hasn\'t or doesn\'t make a difference in horses.  Probably 90% of the time that\'s true, except when it isn\'t true like Chrome. If it weren\'t a big deal, the connections wouldn\'t have made the stand they did with NY earlier.  They know it helps THIS horse.