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jp702006

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Race of the week
« on: July 26, 2015, 07:50:31 PM »
Great analysis! I was able to punch a few tri\'s and exactas and get out for the weekend.

Patrick

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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2015, 07:52:38 PM »
#TGWinnin
#Weewinnin

heatherk

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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 07:55:28 PM »
Great call TGAB. Thanks. See ya next Saturday. Bring hats

horsegoer

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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2015, 08:03:34 PM »
Nice pick !!!!

johnnym

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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2015, 11:12:48 PM »
Nailed it nice call.

Rick B.

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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2015, 05:41:26 AM »
johnnym Wrote:
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> Nailed it nice call.

And, TG said to use the favorite (who ran 2nd and completed the fat EX).

Wow! What\'s next here, detailed pace discussions? Sartinology?

:)

miff

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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2015, 07:26:35 AM »
Rick,

Scribes in ROTW will always refer to speed/front running horses as ground savers as opposed to pace/race dynamic controllers.That fits better with \"sheet\" theory.

Winner did not win because he saved ground, he won because he was lone speed and controlled a modest early pace and sprinted home.

A ROTW winner nevertheless and excellent pick.

Mike
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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2015, 10:52:12 AM »
Welcome to the assertion board.
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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2015, 12:39:48 PM »
Okay Mike, I\'m gonna take the bait, at least for one post.

The Lake George featured a MUCH more extreme slow pace scenario (they went the last sixteenth in 5 4/5 and a couple of horses closed two lengths into it, so they went about 5 2/5). Yet somehow Feathered didn\'t hold on. How is that possible?
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miff

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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2015, 12:45:48 PM »
JB,

Never said every horse that gets a soft pace/loose lead/favorable dynamics will win. Not too many students of racing will suggest that a contender on a soft loose lead is not without a substantial advantage.Nothing to do with saving ground.

\"You guys\" refuse to acknowledge that pace has any relevance as to a races outcome which is off the wall.

Mike
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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2015, 12:56:27 PM »
1) I can\'t speak for anyone else but I do think pace can matter in extreme situations (especially slow paces, which create real traffic/ground loss problems for closers).

2) \"Nothing to do with saving ground\" is a) nuts, b) an unsupported assertion, and c) exactly the kind of thing you just accused \"us\" of doing.
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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2015, 01:00:43 PM »
Never saw a ROTW scribe suggest that a horse was the lone speed or use similar words to suggest why the horse could win.... maybe I missed it.
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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2015, 01:56:14 PM »
I have used the term lone speed often in write-ups, usually followed by the words \"save ground\".

This gets into semantics, but my view is that it\'s an advantage because it\'s a disadvantage for closers for reasons I mentioned, not because the horse in front runs any better (and as with Feathered, there are a million examples of ones that don\'t. But the closers who drew outside in that race were screwed the way the race was run-- their figures will be better than their results.  Which is when we give out \"buried\" marks (\"!\").
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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2015, 05:48:23 PM »
JB  just a short answer on a complicated topic but the winner was in receipt of six pounds which as you know is a lot for sophomores around two bends. bbb

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Re: Race of the week
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2015, 06:33:31 PM »
Yes. There are lots of factors in handicapping. Which we all agree... But this is not about that.
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