California Chrome

[Silver Charm]

Hats off to Art Sherman for doing a super job bringing this horse back and having him ready off the long layoff of a top effort. I know there is a boatload of money in Dubai but this bunch seems so focused on grabbing the gold and running him everywhere except where is Super Popular it\'s almost anti-American. Fans of Zenyatta, Lava Man and American Pharoah gladly say thank you and will tell you it should not always be about early retirement or shipping anywhere you can on the Planet for the moneu.

BTW-A decent 1-2 by Baffert in the Sham and nice Allowance win at Gulf by a good friend of mine who would thrilled beyond belief to Run for the Roses in his Hometown. Derby Watch here has officially begun

[miff]

CC certainly physically matured. Workmanlike win yesterday,like TG 0 if JB sees it like Beyer 103 and TF 117.Next race should give a better gauge if he is going to move forward and perhaps dominate older horse division.

[Silver Charm]

Which Older horse Division Miff? Dubai? Royal Ascot? Melbourne?

Steve Colburn and company have made it clear it\'s not about the Fans. It\'s about $$$$.

[TempletonPeck]

It\'s hilarious to me that you decide how many races is enough races for him to put his horse in (and where) for your entertainment.

CC is running at 5, and wherever he runs you can see him in HDTV, but it isn\'t enough that he brought him back after an injury at 4, you want him to bring the horse closer to you, and more frequently.

You get to dislike the guy, but you don\'t get to tell him what to do with his horse.

[richiebee]

Agreed Mr Peck.

As a racing fan sitting here in NY, it doesn\'t matter to me if CC runs in
California, Chicago, Louisiana or Dubai ... I\'ll be watching and betting the
race from the decadent comfort of Living Room Downs. And if it was announced
that CC was to appear at the Spa, the NYRA \"brain\"trust would immediately
initiate plans to limit the live gate and impose special pricing.

To me it is much better for CC to face an international field of top horses
than to race somewhere in the US where racing secretaries will bend over
backward to hustle together a field of over medicated tomato cans trained by
chemists and magicians.

With a second place finish last year and a win in Dubai this year, I would
actually begin to respect the Horse of the Half Year for 2014. Sorry Chromies,
but Bayern beat your guy on the square what twice? three times?

I\'ve watched the replay twice and was not impressed with the gallop out,
though I am open to the possibility that VE began to gear him down at the
1/16th pole.

[FrankD.]

Looked like a very tiring track yesterday, a lot of slow last 1/4\'s. Took lot\'s of rain during the week? Collected 26.1 final 1/4 in the Sham only an 80 Beyer for what that\'s worth?

[Silver Charm]

TempletonPeck Wrote:
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> It\'s hilarious to me that you decide how many
> races is enough races for him to put his horse in
> (and where) for your entertainment.
>
> You get to dislike the guy, but you don\'t get to
> tell him what to do with his horse.

Quite the contrary. I certainly do and that is what this Forum is for. Just like it was OK I guess for you to tell me what I\'m allowed to say and do on here. Remember you are defending a guy who called another Highly Respected Owner a Coward on National Television after he had beaten him then doubled again the next day. I\'m rooting for the horse and the fans. Sorry you disagree. SMH!!

[Strike]

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> TempletonPeck Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It\'s hilarious to me that you decide how many
> > races is enough races for him to put his horse
> in
> > (and where) for your entertainment.
> >
> > You get to dislike the guy, but you don\'t get
> to
> > tell him what to do with his horse.
>
> Quite the contrary. I certainly do and that is
> what this Forum is for. Just like it was OK I
> guess for you to tell me what I\'m allowed to say
> and do on here. Remember you are defending a guy
> who called another Highly Respected Owner a Coward
> on National Television after he had beaten him
> then doubled again the next day. I\'m rooting for
> the horse and the fans. Sorry you disagree. SMH!!

The ownership in Chrome has changed. Taylor Made bought Steve Coburn\'s share in the horse last year. This was the first race in their colors.They (and Art Sherman) are now calling the shots. Coburn is gone. These guys are sharp and are focused on Chrome\'s breeding career next year. Breeding is modest while race record is not. If he wins Dubai he will become the all time top thoroughbred money winner.

[Silver Charm]

Wish them well. This is a very talented and versatile horse who will have some value. Sherman has earned the right over his career and with his work to make some decisions. Believe I saw Colburn in the winners Circle yesterday.

[FrankD.]

He was at Golden Gate,they showed him on TVG. Chrome\'s full sister ran 5th in her 2nd out about 15 min after the San Pasqual.

[Perfect Drift]

The race prior to Chrome was the same distance with the same run up and the final time was identical to the 1/100th.  The winner of the race before Chrome carried the same weight and to my eye covered more distance.  Trackus (I know, I know) indicates the winner of the race before Chrome covered +12 feet.

Chrome Beyer 103

winner of allowance race 95

I read Beyers explanation on DRF, but I find it hard to swallow.  

thoughts?

[miff]

Perfect,

It\'s called creative license.Many figure makers take it from time to time to present\"what fits\".In such instances it\'s best to go with what you saw.


Mike

[Boscar Obarra]

The problem with all this tinkering is it defeats the purpose of \'knowing\' what kind of effort the horse put in, and it\'s possible impact on the next start.

 Unless the track changed , imo, Beyer is supposed to leave the number alone. Not only is it fictitious , you don\'t know WHEN he is futzing with the number, which makes it doubly problematic.

 I don\'t look at Beyer numbers at all, but lots of folks do.

[SoCalMan2]

Boscar Obarra Wrote:
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> The problem with all this tinkering is it defeats
> the purpose of \'knowing\' what kind of effort the
> horse put in, and it\'s possible impact on the next
> start.
>
>  Unless the track changed , imo, Beyer is supposed
> to leave the number alone. Not only is it
> fictitious , you don\'t know WHEN he is futzing
> with the number, which makes it doubly
> problematic.
>
>  I don\'t look at Beyer numbers at all, but lots of
> folks do.

If I understood the article correctly, they adjusted the figure rather than giving the figure and adding a slow pace designation.  As I understand it, on our sheets here, the two horses would get the same fig (provided that wind, weight, path, and run up were neutral) but one of them would get a slow pace designation which warns you that the number was not able to be better due to pace constraints.  I do not use Beyers either, but assuming I understood the difference in this particular case, I prefer our method to theirs.

[miff]

Hate to burst bubbles but JB is very likely to have the figs very close to what Beyer does and for some of the same reasoning.Occasionally raw time is disregarded and figures are created off projection/creative license.

Personally feel that figs created without using time of same day races at comparable/exact distances are on a slippery slope.Referring to days when the track speed is constant.