Chad Brown

[Silver Charm]

Poised to have a seriously big summer and it all begins today. Loaded with top notch grass horses in all classes and his typical patient hand should have him heating up as the temps and humidity reach the usual summer boiling levels. Eclipse Award finalist trainer also filled with New York breds who will make him a must use on your late summer Spa Pick 4\'s. Pletcher barn is regrouping, Baffert doesn\'t have Triple Crown winner. Figuring it\'s his year for the Eclipse Award but needs to earn with the necessary results first

[ajkreider]

Gonna be very tough to knock TAP off the top spot, since has so many more runners - more than twice that of Brown.  Total purses, wins, etc. will dwarf Brown, even though he has a better hit rate.

[jbelfior]

In the short term, I like Pletcher to get the better of him today at Belmont with Azar. Tough trip from brutal post at CD on Derby day vs stronger pace than he will face today going 1 1/8th.

Good Luck,
Joe B.

[richiebee]

At this time of year with Derby preps and Triple Crown races at the forefront,
one might ask \"what has Brown done for you\" with regards to Winter/Spring dirt
3YOs?

Since we are speaking about trainers, my opinion is the trainer most under the
radar in this neck of the woods is Linda Rice. Wins with claims, wins with young
runners coming off the farm, develops high priced auction purchases. Basically
stays in NY all year, very little winter exposure in Florida, I guess part of the
reason she is not as well known as some of her male counterparts.

Rice\'s Brilliant! but gappy Seymourdini nominated for one of the 3YO races on the
Belmont undercard....

[Silver Charm]

He won 4 races yesterday. Sent out 2 pate developing 3YO\'s. No he isn\'t using Miff. He takes his time and trains for the long term. As I said will be major force in your wagering over this summer. Either on him or against him trying to find value.

[miff]

Silver,

You have no clue what he is or isn\'t doing, nonsense about \"he\'s patient\". His results are off the charts and defy training skills/patience.

Mike

[Silver Charm]

You made an accusation of cheating. And your proof is what? He wins?

[jbelfior]

Mike:
I once believed that it only worked on dirt and with speed types who either just kept going or rebroke when challenged in the lane.
Distance racing on grass all about relaxing early and using bulk of energy late which is why you\'ll never see the Navarros, Preciados, Rudys, etc show any success on the weeds.
That being said, you\'re making me think.

Good Luck,
Joe B.

[sekrah]

If there\'s tools for humans to win 26 mile races, there\'s tools for horses to win 1 1/4 mile horse races.

[miff]

Voiced an opinion but know it\'s got zero to do with that \" he\'s patient\" nonsense often used here. Do you think that hundreds of other trainers aren\'t patient too? Patience means zero if a horse has no ability.

Gotta have good stock, he does, gotta race \"hot\" he absolutely does. Owner friend with him calls him miracle worker(with smirk) Runs many all muscled up off layoffs, a sign of steroidal type use(some legal,some not)

No sour grapes, have to be insane not to use his turf horses,they always seem to fire.

[Silver Charm]

miff Wrote:

> No sour grapes, have to be insane not to use his
> turf horses,they always seem to fire.

Yes and in many cases like yesterday in the Just a Game, Manhatten and 12th race, it\'s trying to figure out which one....

[rezlegal]

I preface my reply to the posts by Miff and SC by stating I believe drug use is rampant in the sport.I have no idea whether Brown uses or the effects that drug use has on turf races, particularly distance races. What I cannot figure out is why so few-restively speaking- have been caught. Using Chad Brown as an example, he has a large stable.He has several assistant trainers, many hot walkers, exercise riders and of, course favorite vets.If he ( or another large stable trainer) was using it,it is reasonable to assume many-or at least some- in his stable have full knowledge of the use. As someone who deals with civil fraud and the forensic work that often goes with it,it is impossible--not difficult-impossible-to keep the type of behavior we are talking about \"secret\"and not have one or more disgruntled employees rat someone out.I try not to think about the drug use when I am handicapping, because only a fool (in NY parlance a schmuck)would gamble on a rigged game and I try real hard not to think of myself in either of those terms.Its devastation to the game is beyond argument--but how do they get it away with it if it is so rampant?? Drives me crazy!

[miff]

Rez,

Said that many times, its a mystery.

Chad Brown\'s meteoric rise, esp w/grass runners,is unprecedented since going on his own about 2007. By way of background, his stated work with Frankel is overrated. He was a whipping boy, early on, who couldn\'t put a bridle on correctly.The physical presence of the Frankel grass horses smacked of steroids which were LEGAL.Tricky, friends with Frankel, took that cue also as did many.Brown works for a brief time for Allday. His horses present power behind,males with barrel chests. Flintshire is a very talented horse, looking at him yesterday,saw a physical monster, not buying the totality of Browns success from husbandry.

So that\'s a little history,then we add a myriad of new breakthrough legal aids available to trainers today.A case can be made for success but perhaps not 100% on the square

Mike

[Silver Charm]

Miff I will give you the last word and most of this is tongue in cheek....But what PED\'s are the Golden State Warriors using? Team came from nowhere 2 years ago, New head coach with ZERO previous experience. Their best player by NBA standards could be considered a dwarf and became a 2-Time MVP. This for a Team that set a league record for wins (73) and will have consecutive titles in a few days.

Steve Kerr came in with better drugs that PED protocol can\'t catch?

[miff]

Silver,even juice cant make the splash brothers that deadly from 3 point range, that\'s just skill.I believe Walton\'s record as coach,when Kerr was out, was great.