Canonnero Should Not Have Run

[fkach]

SC,

I understand that perspective 100%.

However, like I said, there is a possibility that whatever went wrong with the horse happened yesterday.

Maybe when he got banged around a little near the start something happened that we will find out about in a few days. Maybe there\'s something wrong unrelated to his feet that was just beginning to surface yesterday that Dutrow would have seen had the Belmont been on Monday instead etc...

Sometimes very good horses that appear to be doing great throw in clunkers and even the best horsemen are shocked by the outcome. Afleet Alex was another recent one that threw in a clunker because he got sick.

To me, it\'s obvious there is something wrong with this horse. We just don\'t know what it is yet.

Dutrow\'s personality is what it is. He may be a juicer (and I use \"may\" loosely), but I think he also is a very good horseman.

I am trying to learn something from this that is going to make me some money down the road.  I am trying to avoid being \"a man with a hammer in search of nail\" by fitting this event neatly into my preconceived ideas about horses and patterns etc.... IMHO, each of these events are very unique even if some are very similar. There is something to be learned here (at least for me).

[Silver Charm]

fkach Wrote:
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> To me, it\'s obvious there is something wrong with
> this horse. We just don\'t know what it is yet.

Which is exactly why you do not need to be guaranteeing wins in a classless manner. If the guy wants to say I have got the best horse and I think I\'m gonna win then that is fine. But telling the competition do not bother showing up is disrespectful. This isn\'t boxing or pro wrestling but by anoiting Dutrow the second coming of Plain Ben Jones we can make it become like that.

> Dutrow\'s personality is what it is. He may be a
> juicer (and I use \"may\" loosely), but I think he
> also is a very good horseman.

If he needs to cheat then he is not a good horsemen. He is a cheat. If Tiger Woods needs to jack his ball up in the rough, or move it around on the green after a re-mark then he is not a great golfer. He is a cheat

> There is something to be learned here (at least for me).

You are correct. Don\'t believe all the hype until you have seen enough of it with your own eyes. And every time a championship competitor steps onto the field people are going to come after you and make you earn it when the stakes are high.

[fkach]

>If he needs to cheat then he is not a good horsemen. He is a cheat. If Tiger Woods needs to jack his ball up in the rough, or move it around on the green after a re-mark then he is not a great golfer. He is a cheat <

Silver,

I think you can be both a highly competent trainer and also a cheat. Lots of great athletes cheat. That doesn\'t mean they aren\'t great. It just means they aren\'t as great at their record indicates.

>Don\'t believe all the hype until you have seen enough of it with your own eyes. And every time a championship competitor steps onto the field people are going to come after you and make you earn it when the stakes are high.<<

AS far as BB goes, my opinion remains the same.

I thought he had the potential to be something special after his first start on turf because the way he finished that day was extraordinary. I saw nothing in his races this year that changed that opinion.

Since I\'m a big fan of proving yourself against high quality opponents and actually getting tested under fire, IMO the jury was still out on how good he was (figures don\'t mean everything to me). He looked terrific and ran real fast, but this is a pretty bad group so far. I think Curlin would have manhandled him badly later this year unless he continued to develop (I said that a couple of weeks ago). But as a spring 3YO that was certainly possible.

I looks like we may not get to find out either way. That\'s a disappointment to me regardless of my opinion about Dutrow. I am one one those guys that truly loves the sport and longs to see great horses face each other. I started in the glorious 70s. I couldn\'t care less about the gambling. It\'s just a way for me to keep score and feel good about the fact that after all the time and effort I put into it, at least I can win a few dollars and enjoy myself.