thanks for the thoughts, fair points but remember, Big Brown went off at 6-5 and Street Sense would have been alot shorter had he not lost on the poly heading into the Derby so I don\'t think Old Fashioned will be higher than 3-1 if he wins both of his preps, especially considering the other horses that will vie for favoritism this year will be coming back from Dubai and they will have all kinds of knocks against them (right or wrong, those knocks will raise their odds and lower the odds on whoever else winds up favorite).