Zenyatta

[sekrah]

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Congratulations on your big scores this weekend Badride.   Good reads in every race.  Very impressive.   Maybe next time you\'ll get a chance to share one of your insights with the group prior to the races being run.  We all want to me make money too.

[Badride]

If I posted all my picks in here your heads would explode and I use no sheet.   DOn\'t make me start schooling people in public, just be glad Im here youll learn something

[TGJB]

If you behave yourself you will be allowed to post here long enough to school us. Just make sure you do it before the race.

[Badride]

TGJB

       Of course I will behave.  You\'ll never get a redboard out of me

[jimbo66]

P-Dub,

as is becoming your trademark, you are over the top (in hindsight, similar to Quality Road)

You talking about the fact that Zenyatta dropped back so far is meaningless.  As is that she had a few seconds of traffic.  Hello, closers drop back and sometimes get traffic.  THis is a function of racing, the same way fronterunners occasionally get cooked on hot paces.

She ran well.  Very well.  She is a great mare.  And had maybe the most consistent form I have ever seen.  (I am sure older guys on the board can remember older horses like Forego that I never saw, but for the last 25 years, she has been the most consistent horse I have ever seen.

Your other comments about Quality Road or Rachel in top form, Summer Bird (on dirt) and her winning the race on Saturday 80% of the time are just nonsense.  Pure nonsense. Nobody that is objective would believe any of that.  

She ran extremely well, and lost.  She beat some very good horses.  But Blame beat her on the square and for my money she was NEVER getting by.

[TGJB]

Before this goes south again, I want to make the same point I made when the NYC kid was getting into it with oldtimers here about Ghostzapper. There\'s a difference between ability and accomplishment, and arguments between people using different measuring sticks are arguments in different languages. There can be no meeting of the minds. Zenyatta accomplished a ton, maybe more than any other dirt mare who ever lived (Goldikova accomplished more on turf, but it\'s apples and oranges). Comparing ability is what we have figures for.

[JimP]

jimbo, if \"her winning the race on Saturday 80% of the time are just nonsense. Pure nonsense. Nobody that is objective would believe any of that.  ... she was NEVER getting by\", does that mean that you think that her chances of winning a rerun of that race would be 0%?

I find that to be a curious aspect of this board. For a sport that is based so much on probabilities it sure does seem like many posters here deal only in absolutes like \"never\". I don\'t post much because I seldom find an issue here that I can take an absolute position like that on. Nuances like P-dub\'s \"80%\" don\'t seem to be well received by most who post here. I marvel that so many people can be so absolutely sure of their conclusions. I wish I were that good.

Now that I have expressed my puzzlement at the certainties that abound here, I will now go back into lurking mode and continue to struggle with all my uncertainties and probabilities.

[P-Dub]

Jimbo,
Not over the top.

You choose to look at horses as machines, push a button and they run a number.
Your argument about closers getting traffic is fine, but you fail to mention that these faster numbers by others are earned under favorable conditions at times.  i.e. Distance and surface.

Just because the almighty jimbo says it\'s nonsense it is?? Believe what you want. What happened to the rest of the field?? According to the almighty numbers, she shouldn\'t have hit the board. She lost by a head, what happened to the \"faster\" horses??

So faster horses finished behind her on Saturday , yet we are to believe that the horses mentioned being beaten by her hypothetically won\'t be beaten? They are supposedly faster too, yet the supposedly faster horses Saturday got dusted except for one.

Have some more Kool-aid brah.

[jimbo66]

P-Dub,

She didn\'t win.  Let that sink in.  If any other horse lost in a 12 horse field to some very fast horses, running very well like she did, people might say she would be the \"most likely winner\" next time around.  Debatable, but certainly possible.  But 80% is stupid.  

Just like saying she would beat QR at every distance except for a 1 turn mile or beat an at her best Rachel by 8 lengths.  She never beat any 2nd place finisher to her by 8 lengths is any of her 19 wins.  But we are to believe she would beat the 2008 version of Rachel by 8 lengths.  Stupid again.

I, like others on this board (you too TGJB), were very wrong about how well she would run on Saturday.  But that doesn\'t any hyperbole you can dream up is correct.

[P-Dub]

Easy on the word stupid. I\'ve been blasted by JB for talking that way. You can have a debate, disagree, and not resort to that.

We\'ll just agree to disagree. There are some very intelligent people that can say the same for your opinions, so just drop it.

[TGJB]

I\'m getting the feeling that everybody on this board needs a nap. Maybe including me.

[jimbo66]

Ok.  I take back stupid, except in reference to my own decision to go from taking a position to keying Big Drama, to throwing him out, because of the dead rail.  For that I allow myself to use \"stupid\".

[P-Dub]

Connecting from Oahu to Kona, I will be taking one asap.

[P-Dub]

Wow, that was stupid.

Just kidding Jimbo. I know you didn\'t mean it in a personal way, we are just 2 very opinionated people. We\'ll find something to agree on.

[Bet Twice]

Bad - What happened to the \"You\'ll never get a redboard out of me\" line??